Originally Posted by Wasmachinemann-NL

TETSUOOO!

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Originally Posted by Maemish

It would deserve a movie if this would be a hoax. And a very deep hole for a hiding place. The amount of money put on this stuff. All the devices already manufactured people have seen. All the public showcases etc. and giving it to be tested and advertized. If you count the time spent on all this plus the costs I doubt that they would make such a big profit with the preorders that it would pay off.

Powerful is the imagination. Presuppotions are bad compasses for the mind. Stigma is easy to give, hard to take back. Sticks much longer on the one who have falsely stamp it on someone than the one stamped.

Originally Posted by Shirabe

It has now been 2 full days since the 29th of October, which they said would be the latest day they would ship to customers (not to fulfillment centers). They have also claimed since that they have shipped on the 29th. We also now know that this first batch (which is already a "relatively small proportion of all orders") only had a "very small quantity" of Asian shipments (compared to the total shipments), which wouldn't have another step in between and would be the only shipments that would have a shipment notification. Has anybody seen any shipping notification yet? Because I haven't. Wondering when that will change, I hope soon. This small amount of Asian shipments seems like a good excuse for why there are no shipment notifications in the wild, it's also deceptive and not really what they implied. The other shipments from this first batch would get their phones next week at the earliest. Anything after next week I'd consider mid November by the way, after the 10th.

There's also been another delay, in that "most of the pre-orders will be completed until the end of November." which used to be mid-November, and that "general availability" will be "in December" which used to be late November. So an average delay of 10 days depending on what you think is mid or late November. Of course, no official notification about this, in fact "Since the update above (Adrian's video of shipping on the 29th), the information hasn't changed."

EDIT: Most of this info is from Erik, who just said that he generally doesn't have more info than the publicly available info. So, we basically know nothing still aside from speculation.

Originally Posted by deutch1976

Where is your christmas spirit? Give it a break and stop acting like babies. Have you guys ever tried to negotiate with Chinese government or customs?

Originally Posted by catbus

...and BTW... it is weekend...

Originally Posted by shaihkritzer

something like breaking a promise again?

Originally Posted by Shirabe

Give it up for 3 full days since the 29th of October, which they said would be the latest day they would ship to customers (not to fulfilment centers). Erik has also stated since that he "has been told that customers from the 1st batch will soon receive a confirmation that stock has been assigned to their order.", which is contradictory to the statement that they've started shipping, but despite that they're still on track!

Originally Posted by shaihkritzer

why it reminds me Aliexpress so much?

I've ordered some cable management stuff there for lousy 2 bucks, they promised 38 days delivery. It's been 60 days already and wasn't delivered. when I open the dispute, they reply: "please wait 2 more days". I really wonder, what would some 2 days give in the scale of almost 2 times longer waiting...

but, I wasted 2 dollars and you preordered folks wasted 700. wonder why it's all the same regardless of the money wasted lol. guess, it's some Chinese tradition or something.