And before anyone says - most of this carries across to the touch too

Except for the bluetooth...you don't even get bluetooth on the touch! It's all WIRED stereo headphones for you and Internet when you have a WIFI signal

I wonder if we'll ever see a wifi enabled GPS solution!

It's incredible how much time we waste on these issues
I think some of us work harder than the PAID Nokia\Apple marketing people on trying to push our platforms of choice.. in the end, what is it that you are trying to accomplish by convincing others of how RIGHT YOU ARE anyway?

I don't much care on how much ppl love or hate certain products, but I think factual errors *should* be straightened:

Yabbas:
- the iphone *can* multitask but it is currently limited by the UI design. Audio playback in the background is one supported by the default firmware. 3rd party (unofficial) software extends this to email and IM. If you ssh into the iphone, you can run things on cron, etc.
- Right now most 3rd party apps are free. Including the popular Crayon Physics based on Box2d has already been ported to it.
- Firmware upgrades don't cost money for the iphone. Who knows what it's gonna be like in the future.
- A2DP stack is going to be included in future firmware update. It doesn't seem like they're holding this feature intentionally because it's detracting from the value of the device as music player anyway. More like development schedules, just like the unfinished SDK.
- Video playback: CorePlayer (TCPMP) has already shown a working demo for the iphone. It's the best player for WinMo & Palm currently. Plays video better on my Treo 680 than mplayer on my n800. from wma, divx, ogg, mpg, 3gp, mkv, avi, etc.

But who am I kidding, you don't care about all this right?
And I personally don't care which platform 'wins', cause I collect them all..

Jailbreaking expands options, but good luck playing cat and mouse with Apple hoping not to get caught. As for the SDK, we will see how "great" that turns out to be. No doubt highly skilled developers will flock to it and create great programs but they are restricted by Apple and those programs will not be free.

I do care about it though - because I'm frankly fed up of the iPhone related posts that keep cropping up here by Apple zealots who think this is a new innovation that deserves credit. It's got sucky software and hardware that's limited by design and it stomps on your rights to do what you want with it without breaking the rules and regulations you've signed away when you bought it.


the iphone *can* multitask but it is currently limited by the UI design.

The UI design is the most touted feature of the device. I don't understand how you could have background email/IM checks when EDGE itself is the limiting factor - or is this to do with audio playback whilst doing other things? Presumably you're saying you can have an email program downloading new mail in the background, an IM application loaded and ready, MP3s/Video playing in the backdrop all whilst browsing the internet through Safari? If so I stand corrected :P however ... according to the article later, that's not the case!


free apps

Are we talking about Jailbraking the device? You've invalidated your warranty not to mention broken the terms and conditions by which you've bought the device. My PSP has "free games" if I chip it. My PC has free software if I crack them. I have no right to do so though - and frankly - the denial of my rights makes me think the iPhone is a pile of ****. Want to load another OS on the device - no you can't - you're not allowed to.


A2DP - it doesn't exist. The SDK firmware update never mentioned A2DP. Don't know what insider info you have that suggests it will be implemented in the future. On the iTouch you don't have bluetooth so it will never appear there. The bluetooth stack is known to be shite.

Apple’s Bluetooth File Exchange for Mac OS X cannot send files to the iPhone stating “Device does not have the necessary services.”

iSync for Mac OS X cannot be used to synchronize with the iPhone via Bluetooth, delivering the message “iSync can not connect to this device.”

Bluetooth file transfer is one of THE simplest tasks a bluetooth stack could perform - certainly simpler than streaming mono audio to a headset.

http://www.iphoneatlas.com/2007/06/3...c-do-not-work/


Coreplayer - just seen the video. Presumably it's running on a non-jailbroken iPhone?

Here's a nail in the coffin: "Only one iPhone application can run at a time, and third-party applications never run in the background. This means that when users switch to another application, answer the phone, or check their email, the application they were using quits. (p. 16)"

http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/07...s-arent-great/

This means no browsing Safari will listening to music in CorePlayer.
Also, if you answer the Phone while watching a movie, you will have to restart CorePlayer and find your place all over again. [presumably it will leave a bookmark.]

But the real nail in the coffin is this:

"...all iPhone apps will be sandboxed: they won't get access to any memory or filesystem resources"

"you can't sideload or sync that data from a PC, and you can't get it from any other iPhone application. And you also don't have access to any shared data stores."

http://practicalmadness.com/2008/03/iphone_sdk_firs


*shrugs*


What am I trying to accomplish? I'm not trying to massage my hurt jealous onlooking ego if that's what you're getting at...I have the resources to get all the devices out there - I chose not to. ;-)

Factual innacuracy - perhaps - I'm only going on what I've read - perhaps your insider info is more accurate - but at the moment I think most of what I've written stands.


Summary:
The i***** just plain sucks. Jailbrake the device and hope for the best. Fingers X'ed Apple or your Phone Provider don't rape you with a crippling firmware update.

Stick with the SDK and suffer the afformentioned issues.

At the end of the day - don't come here and tell me that it's better than sliced bread because it's been proven that it isn't.

But then we wouldn't get such great posts like Yabbas'.
It's good to be reminded what makes the N8xx so great, and probably helpful for people doing their comparison research before buying their N8xx.
I do think that this particular thread is one of the worst, "how to greatly enhance your n800 experience" I clicked on it because I would like to know if there is something (some mod or hack) to make the n800 perform better than it already does (which is already excellent IMO)
not to be told to buy an Ipod touch.
P.S. It's nice living in Vermont, where one can't even buy an Iphone.

the converse being, you can't make your own high-quality maple syrup in the Santa Clara Valley.

these repeated threads makes me wonder what nokia could have had if they had put a gsm radio into the N810...

meh, ones the jesusphone was on the market it had been all over anyways. it would have been to hard/geeky to use compared to the "catwalk-ready" iphone...

just notice how no more then a month after the iphone got released, all other phones where compared to it. hell, HTC and crew bends over backwards to make their windows mobile interfaces more "iphone"...

i dont know, is it a halo effect of the ipod (a device that originally came out at exactly the right time, providing the right storage to size and so on but after that had minimal external changes done to it. the internal ones on the other hand) or is it something else?

another thing i see is that a the data plan available for the iphone has as much to do with its appeal as the phone itself. in other words, the phone's appeal is a contruct of the us operator market.

basically im confused about the iphones appeal. if i look at the features its a "me to" phone at best. its main selling point seems to be the at&t "all you can eat" data plan, and its ability to sync with itunes (a program that seems to have taken over for winamp as the most used third party media player on windows, no small feat imo).

as in, the device itself is just part of the whole "experience" (for lack of a better word).

i just wonder what apple of today would turn the mac into if it didnt have the legacy of "openness" that it has (compared to ipod and iphone that is).

but then i think woz walked out over a argument with jobs over the openness (or how much the user was able to tinker) of the original mac. and i can see why. just look at some of the stuff people have done with the N800 lately. usb host mode? bluetooth pan? both are stuff that falls under "because we can" and "scratching a itch", imo.

i just wonder to much anti-itching substance apple use in the making of a iphone

or maybe the itchings of a geek is different from the itchings of a consumer?

btw, how many would to something similar using a N8*0:
http://www.jkontherun.com/2008/04/mobile-tech-mak.html

If you're going to correct factual errors, it won't do you any good to replace them with your own errors.

Crayon Physics has not been "ported" to the iPhone (<spit!>). Someone made a similar game for the iPhone (<spit!>), but it was not Petri Purho.

The amount of hate by the NIT crowd, is ... more disturbing to me than the amount of loyalism by the Apple crowd.

I have an iphone and an n800. I used to have a 770, and might upgrade to a n810 in the future. The two devices overlap in some features, but I just use them for different purposes.

There is a lot of misinformation and just .. general spitefulness by the NIT guys / gals in this thread and I don't get why.

The thing that is really strange is this absurd aversion to count a jailbroken iphone. This is a community that has "haceker edition" firmware and KDE applications running on their devices, but the thought of jailbreaking a device and being outside of Apple compliance (forgetting the fact you can simply reflash to a standard firmware for service if needed) seems to be the most foreign and inappropriate act ever. Seriously? I thought this was a group of people that took their clocks / tvs / video game systems apart to figure out how it works. I thought this was a group of people that installed linux on everything (including the clock, tv, and video game system) so they can mess around, and all of a sudden jailbreaking a phone is "dangerous" and shouldn't be done because it's outside EULA? Heck 90% of the software through maemo and other repositories tell me that anything I try to install may brick my device, good luck!!

That sort of fear and pointing fingers at the need to jailbreak an iphone / touch to add (I agree) hundreds of applications seems silly and trite, to be honest.

A lot of the commentary here sounds like it comes from people who have read too many blogs, and haven't coughed up $250 to just play with one for a month.

If you do, you will find that yes, the iphone (even jailbroken) is more stable as a whole than OS2008. I do not have frequent crashes, but slowdowns during multi tasking do happen and even when nothing is running the OS seems to take its time.

The device can play music while doing other tasks, and email actually polls in the background. There are other third party apps (jailbroken) that run in the background, so multitasking is possible on the iphone / touch.

Is it a better internet tablet? For me, no. The screen is too small and the media capabilities too limited to really push the N800. For others though, yes I can definitely see why they would like it.

I think a lot of these threads and the subsequent backlash is from the fact that no one really thinks Apple was trying to directly go after the NIT. This "non try" came REALLY close to being a direct competitor, and for all the years many of the people here and around the world have been supportive and loyal to a group of devices that saw real innovation come at a crawl (look at the phones released from Nokia around the same time as the 770 and look at the phones released from Nokia around the N810 and tell me this project isn't a back burner "we'll get around to it" project) take some slight offense to being loyal to something that is having problems competing with a product that is not even directly in its niche.

I still like my n800. My geekier friends have moved on, and depending on these new Ubuntu MIDs I might as well, but instead of downgrading ever topic (I agree there are too many of these) that involve the iphone / touch into a slanderous war where you show you actually know less about the device than you thought you did. Why not just point out the obvious advantages of the NIT. If that's not what they are here for, then wish them well and move on. No one is forcing you to reply.

Because we're tired of the stupid, useless, neverending comparison threads by Apple users who believe Apple can never do wrong.