Yeah, I know some people useing FF3b4, and it seems nice enough, but I'm content with O right now; I'll give it a shot when it comes out of beta, or when I re-install a system (hopefully the former).

Oh, and that N800? it seems they want ~520 USD for it? No wonder it's not selling; I'm a Linux die-hard, and knew what I was getting into, and don't really care about PIM, and I still wouldn't have bought it for that price. Maybe all electronics are pricier down there or something, but it seems awful high.

While some might disagree with my wording I think most would agree with the sentiment of my postings.

I have picked up an iPod Touch and it's everything I have come to expect from Apple both good and bad. At the end of a month I will sell one of them based on my experiences ( if my wife doesn't kill me first after seeing the CC statement ).

Major drawbacks to the touch

* No decent IM. BeeJive works in a pinch and is very slick, but is no substitute for a real IM client
* No tethering.

Lesser issues with the touch

* Battery life could be better, but it gets me through the day
* Has a tendency to "forget" hidden networks

Honestly, when you get down to it, both devices suck... I just have to decide how I prefer to get screwed at the end of the day.

Well, best of luck deciding. Taking that last sentence perhaps a little too literally, I'd recommend the iPod -- smaller with smoother corners.

I'm sure there are lots secretly hoping you will, so they can buy your N810 at used pricing, and hopefully fix it with Diablo this summer. You might want to consider waiting that long, if your wife won't kill you first...

I think it's almost too thin at that point. Might act like more of a knife than a blunt object.

Well if I had a better idea what was coming down the pipe for diablo it might make sense, but since Nokia is still being tight lipped about any big surprises I have to kinda presume it will be more of the same

Well, Diablo is a revision of OS2008, 4.1 instead of 4.0; I think a lot of the beta (in your words) quality of Chinook was because of the 3.0-4.0 jump.
I'd expect it to be substantially smoother, with no big surprises.
But, hey, we don't know yet, Texrat will only tell us "hee-hee-hee", and if the iPod wins by a landslide, Diablo probably wouldn't change your mind anyway. But if you're left teetering on the brink at the end of the month, then think about waiting.

I probably will wait it out and if *cough cough* someone wants to slip me the release notes/changelog for diablo it might make the waiting easier. Like I said there are major downsides to both so I doubt either will "win" at this point.

Well, it's reported to be known that the new version of microb has kinetic scrolling, if that helps; there are public changelogs for lots of packages, but I don't think anyone knows at what point the release will be frozen.

Edit: Wait, actually there's a build from cvs with the kinetic scrolling working, isn't there? I was thinking I'd seen one anyway... Still, that's just one thing; the new osso-xterm some of us are using (much improved over the release version) should be there, and there's lots of other stuff that's in garage with publicly accessible CVS. There's also the Maemo (strict sense, meaning SDK) changes from 4.0 to 4.0.1, but AFAIK no-one has any diablo info.

And if all you have to do is threaten to jump ship in order to receive a PM with Nokia proprietary info, I (and probably half the people in the iPhone division at Apple) am thinking I have to sell my N800 too!! (Unless I hear something good is coming in OS2008; and faked changelogs won't do; gimme a beta fiasco image!)

Newbie chiming in here, this is my first non-windows machine. Owned my N810 for about 3 months and need to say something. I bought this device for a few reasons:
1. The Nokia brand name to me means trust and quality.
2. The built-in apps is exactly what I was seeking in a small package.
3. Wanted a media player that would be an improvement over my WM5 Pocket PC.

I'm disappointed in the built-in apps quality. Other then the browser and wayfinder, everything else seems to have issues. Items that don't work well "out of the box":
1. pop or imap email
2. video formats
3. lan connections, streaming and file transfer
4. finger keyboard

To be blunt, if I knew then what I know now I would have not bought the N810. But would have considered a N800 with OS2007. It worries me that the OS upgrade seems to have added more problems then it fixed.
Let me say that I'm not a "workaround" kind of user and like to stick with the apps that come with the unit when new. Plain and simple, they should work. Not all of us are nFanboys.
I feel that Nokia should have done more testing before releasing the unit with an OS that does not work well.
I'm going to keep the N810 until after the next OS release. Email and finger keyboard need to be fixed, otherwise I'll let the unit go.

nFanboys can attack complainers but it will only hurt the whole Linux community in the end. Nokia needs to better support the IT community otherwise they will drop the product line if newbies leave the platform out of frustration.

SF

Modest or Claws both solve your first issue rather nicely, MPlayer the second, I'm not sure what you mean by number three and Diablo should fix up the fourth issue.

It's that way with every major OS upgrade on every single platform in existence. Look at Apple, or Microsoft, or Ubuntu, etc, etc, etc. All of the first releases of major OS versions introduce new bugs. Vista and Leopard both shipped with some rather egregious bugs (Leopard still has many outstanding issues at 10.5.2, even), it's part of the tradeoff for lots and lots of hot new features.

Then let me say, you bought exactly the wrong device. The power of the internet tablets comes not from the built-in applications, but in their nearly unlimited expandability and customizability with all of the 3rd party stuff.

You want step 5. The whole point of the 770, N800, and N810 was to build up a community and have them shape the development of the platform. It's a large part of what makes the NITs such fun things to be involved with. I understand that that's not for everybody. You seem to want a canned solution whose functionality begins and ends with exactly what it ships with, but that's not what this product line is designed to be. If you wanted that, you should've bought a Palm, WinMob or Apple device.

Hey, good news, both of those issues are high on the list of fixes for Diablo! Better news, you can fix one of them yourself right now!

Dismissing people as "fanboys" isn't a very productive way to have a discussion. Either way, it's Nokia's job to sell the product, not the community's and picking apart the complaints of people who throw down lots of money without doing any research first keeps me sane.

Wait a minute, I've seen lot's of posts that 'people who want to post about the nxxx vs the ixxxxx' should append to en existing thread, now Sir Felix did and you don't give him props? (even little props?)

(for the record, I appreciate these nxxx vs ixxxxx threads because I feel I leave them more informed. I'm not married to any device. I want it (my device of the day or month or year) to just do what I want.)

So I'd like to say thanks to Sir Felix for adding his thoughts to an existing thread on the topic.

I'd also like to say that while 'fanboys' is dismissive, there are folks on this same board who have contributed to a thread positing that folks who want to compare ITs with iXXXXXXs should be automatically shunted to some other (presumably relegated to the netherworlds) thread. So there is some unwillingness to acknowledge that all these devices are of interest to a swath of us (which leads to the fanboy claim, I think).

And "fanboys" cuts both ways, more often towards dismissing apple supporters (not necessarily here, but in general usage). I loathe apple, and I can't embrace OSX (or 9 or 8, I left at 7 and have tried every major release since, I am still trying with the mac pro that sits unused in my office (sweet ubuntu 8.04 machine, by the way)).

But I do hear some nice things about the iPhone/touch. I don't think I am a heretic (here), but I do find the iPhone more appealing as time goes on... And did I mention that it is supposedly getting GPS and 3G and a price cut to $200 through AT&T stores come this June????

The iPhone/touch isn't the awesome linux pc that sits in my pocket and runs for days on end, but it may live next to it as the internet access machine that sits in my pocket for always available internet access.

Not to layer this more, but looking to get a SERO plan to make either my n800 or n810 truly always useful, I ended up having to look at the mogul or the touch or the centro, all of which were trying to do most of what the n8xx does. I was left non-plussed. The centro has buttons so small I can't use them, and the others run windows mobile. Argh. iPhone supporters don't seem so out of touch now (no iTouch pun intended).