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2008-06-04 , 16:36
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BTW, in Diablo (public release expected around month's end, more or less) the softpoweroff is working again, it seems. You can set up that on long or double-tap of powerswitch and get reasonably decent behavior; never had trouble with it dying in a few hours.
You know, a part of me wants to believe that. Unfortunately, it is a microscopic part compared to the cynical part of me that just says: "What else will they break this time?"

(Sidenote: I did have power outages under softpoweroff, but only due to the metalayer crawler going berserk. I haven't had a dry suck since I disabled that son of a Colossus)
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I've looked at Powerlauch and it makes my brain hurt. Apparently there's a default mode when you install it that kinda mimicks mce.ini's behaviour, but I never liked that behaviour and I have absolutely no idea how to get it to do what I want; to call the documentation on the home site "spartan" would be a compliment: it's basically a man page of the daemon which, for such an important function that is supposed to be for the average enduser, is a joke.
Wrong. The documentation is much more extensive than a man page for the daemon; there's a few more pages you probably missed, as the site structure is, shall we say, not precisely intuitive. Spartan's not so bad as long as it's got everything you need; it does. (On three or four different pages...)

I agree a GUI would be nice, but it's highly non-essential for what's essentially a hacker's tool. It's not meant to fix OS2008's broken softpoweroff; that's just one pleasant effect which makes it much more broadly recommended that its intended application would justify.

And thanks for mentioning metalayer-crawler; I'd forgotten about it. Of course you should disable it...
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2008-06-04 , 16:43
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You know, a part of me wants to believe that. Unfortunately, it is a microscopic part compared to the cynical part of me that just says: "What else will they break this time?"
Look, I have no info at all from inside Nokia, but my guess is OS2008 was kind of rushed out the door because they needed to support the N810, and all that support was in their new OS; I think it wasn't really ready (perhaps running behind, or perhaps the release schedule got bumped up), but they had to fix it as best they could and ship. That's the bad thing about software tied to hardware; you've got hard deadlines that can't be pushed back just because it's buggy.

Diablo is something much like OS2008 would have been, if they could have finished it right instead of rushing to ship something. At least that's how it feels from here.

Pure speculation, of course...
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2008-06-04 , 16:56
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My current habit is to shut down any network app, go to offline mode and lock the screen. Anything else results in a soon dead battery for me.
 
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I just shove the N800 into softpoweroff with the dbl press when listening to tracks. mce in diablo works a hell of a lot better with this than chinook does. Although pocket mode in powerlaunch is a nice idea...
 
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Look, I have no info at all from inside Nokia, but my guess is OS2008 was kind of rushed out the door because they needed to support the N810, and all that support was in their new OS; I think it wasn't really ready (perhaps running behind, or perhaps the release schedule got bumped up), but they had to fix it as best they could and ship. That's the bad thing about software tied to hardware; you've got hard deadlines that can't be pushed back just because it's buggy.

Diablo is something much like OS2008 would have been, if they could have finished it right instead of rushing to ship something. At least that's how it feels from here.

Pure speculation, of course...
i hope that beyond diablo, we will not have to wait for full firmware releases to get to odd problem fixed. as in, ones diablo is out, future updates can be done via the app manager?
 
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Definitely, but many things (to specific apps, like xterm) could have been pushed that way already; it's not clear to me how much we'll be seeing in terms of more frequent releases.
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ugh, thanks for bursting that bubble...

nokia seems to really be messing up that community involvement part...

but then they are not really alone. that eeepc is equally hit or miss, but with it being a X86 base, its easier to find alternatives...
 
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They're doing pretty good, considering, IMHO, but it'd be nice to be able to pull that ''considering'' out...

Still, we're making some good progress on alternatives with Debian, and Nokia does seem to be improving their end. (Thanks JohnX, for the package, and Qole, for the friendly chrootage!)
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Hi,guys:

Thanks a lot for your advice.

Last night I have follow the steps recommended by your guys.

I charge it to full at 10:00pm, and start to surf at bed from 11:00pm to 12:12am(about 1 and half hours), and I set n800 to "offline mode", then continue set it to "lock touchscreen and keys". and put it on the ground.

Today I pick it up at about 4:00pm, and I found it already run out of battery, I should press power button to restart it again, and in the right cnr, the battery icon appear red color.

So what's meaning of "standby up to 12 days"?

does it mean that I can't operate n800 like this?

All the best!

Tiger
 
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