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2008-06-08
, 16:32
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Originally Posted by luca
I think it's a LITTLE over the top to compare DRM to the holocaust...
When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.
When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.
Martin Niemöller
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2008-06-08
, 16:36
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@ Looking at y'all and sighing
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Originally Posted by luca
Reminds me of this poem:
When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.
When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.
Martin Niemöller
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2008-06-08
, 16:37
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@ Westcountry, UK
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Originally Posted by krisse
It would be a lot of prosecutions as I don't think it is possible to buy a non-multi-region DVD in the UK!
Are people who make or buy multi-region DVD players REALLY going to be prosecuted? What moral case can be made against someone in Europe watching a legally bought DVD from America?
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2008-06-08
, 20:44
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@ Catalunya
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Originally Posted by krisse
You are basically right, but the main concept (nobody cares until it's too late) is the same.
I think it's a LITTLE over the top to compare DRM to the holocaust...
You know, big things started as small things.
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2008-06-09
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2008-06-09
, 18:04
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Originally Posted by tabletrat
And I thought they were abandoning regions anyway, because it encouraged people to download pirated versions?
It would be a lot of prosecutions as I don't think it is possible to buy a non-multi-region DVD in the UK!
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2008-06-09
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I read the "leaked" document. It is only a 4 page outline highlighting the goals of the agreement. Nowhere does it say anything about banning P2P networks or the LEGAL sharing of information, etc. The target of any ban is illegal activity rather than the technologies used to propagate that activity.
Although I am against the erosion of civil liberties, this measure is designed to protect the intellectual property rights of the owners of the works (software, music, videos, etc.) in question. In other words, if you are not stealing other's works, then there is not much that you should be afraid of. I believe that the RIAA did mess up in prosecuting children for downloading music, but the fact remains that the children in question WERE illegally downloading the music.
I fully believe that we need to monitor treaties such as these to protect our rights, but we should not be surprised to find out that we do not have the right to steal electronically.
Although I am against the erosion of civil liberties, this measure is designed to protect the intellectual property rights of the owners of the works (software, music, videos, etc.) in question. In other words, if you are not stealing other's works, then there is not much that you should be afraid of. I believe that the RIAA did mess up in prosecuting children for downloading music, but the fact remains that the children in question WERE illegally downloading the music.
I fully believe that we need to monitor treaties such as these to protect our rights, but we should not be surprised to find out that we do not have the right to steal electronically.
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2008-06-09
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In other words, if you are not stealing other's works, then there is not much that you should be afraid of.
I fully believe that we need to monitor treaties such as these to protect our rights, but we should not be surprised to find out that we do not have the right to steal electronically.
For example the Amazon Kindle device lets you buy books in electronic format, but it's a format that can't be used on other similar devices, so it's forcing me to read my e-books on a particular line of products. And if Amazon stop making those products and my Kindle breaks, the books are gone forever.
Another annoying thing: I can transfer my CDs to my tablet without any problem at all, but DVDs have a DRM system which prevents easy transfers. There's software which lets you by-pass the DRM, but this may or may not be legal. Pirates have no trouble transferring video files, so why do legal owners like me face restrictions?
Last edited by krisse; 2008-06-09 at 23:05.
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2008-06-10
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I re-read the document again, and do not see anything that mentions banning multi-region DVD players....
I understand the frustration you have expressed with DRM preventing law-abiding citizens from using the media that they have licensed--I agree with you that you should be able to use what you have licensed on any device you have. I think that the solution here is that the market will hopefully punish those who use DRM (for example, I only buy MP3 files from Amazon now because their MP3s do not have DRM encoding).
The problem is that the pirates have messed it up for the honest folks....
I understand the frustration you have expressed with DRM preventing law-abiding citizens from using the media that they have licensed--I agree with you that you should be able to use what you have licensed on any device you have. I think that the solution here is that the market will hopefully punish those who use DRM (for example, I only buy MP3 files from Amazon now because their MP3s do not have DRM encoding).
The problem is that the pirates have messed it up for the honest folks....
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