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2008-06-30
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#41
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I wasn't trying to find information, I was trying to make a suggestion. A glance at the project activity graph shows no activity. It's possible that is not true and that there is fevered activity. If so, great. In the meantime, nothing has been released for the N800 or the N810.
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2008-06-30
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Originally Posted by qgil
If it needs an increased software quality, i'd rather like to get a bug report or an email about those flaws than finding it being listed in some wiki under "needs fixing". And if it actually needs fixing, i really wonder why it got listed there in the first place.
Master of Gizmo, fair enough. I personally think one day it will be clear for open source developers that playing the maemo.org game is useful to reach better software quality and wider audiences. I understand if some people don't see the point today, though.
This is open source. If you or someone else thinks that going the maemo way is necessary, then this person is invited to contribute and do exactly this. This is how OSS works. If noone is interested in actually doing this then there's either no benefit of doing so or there's not enough interest in that project. That also would indicate that this project does not fall under "remarkable projects".
I'd really appreciate a "list of cool software". But e.g. limiting it to projects following certain maemo rules by 100% will very likely make it only contain projects i already know.
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2008-06-30
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If you notice, most Linux distributions tend to recommend to their users applications hosted in their centralized repository (and there are rules to get there), while they are reluctant to reccomend anything else.
This is how open source gets organized around distributions, usually.
You app was listed because a user thought it was worth having it there. You should be happy!
I really don't want to argue or upset you. Your critique is good for a better maemo.org Thanks!
This is how open source gets organized around distributions, usually.
You app was listed because a user thought it was worth having it there. You should be happy!
I really don't want to argue or upset you. Your critique is good for a better maemo.org Thanks!
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2008-06-30
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It's true that most distros host everything in their own repositories. But they just do it themselves and don't list projects they don't consider acceptible for being not in their repos. Another thing is that these distros choose from a huge pile of mature software. Maemo isn't there and most apps are either non-hildonized ports or are just are early versions (like gpxview and e.g. even modest and microb). I'd rather put some focus on interesting projects rather than the repositories they reside in or if they are easy to install. As i said: You'll end up with the well-known group of Maemo-Mapper, Canola and friends. Not that i don't like em, they are great, but they don't need to be protected from being forgotten.
If someone thinks that gpxview would benefit from being moved/copied to maemo extras, just go ahead. I really appreciate contributions. But i don't see a benefit that is worth spending my own time to move it there. But if someone else thinks it is important and is worth the effort, just go ahead and live the community idea by doing so ...
If someone thinks that gpxview would benefit from being moved/copied to maemo extras, just go ahead. I really appreciate contributions. But i don't see a benefit that is worth spending my own time to move it there. But if someone else thinks it is important and is worth the effort, just go ahead and live the community idea by doing so ...
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2008-06-30
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To be a little constructive, here's what i think is needed (just my personal view of course):
Don't make a proper install file and the project being in maemo extras a prerequisite. Instead make this the goal. Don't limit the projects in any way, but list them to get people involved. There sure are projects that people love, but that never got an install file or never were properly hildonized. Why don't try to achieve this via this wiki page? Something like "people love project xyz, so we encourage you to make it ready for prime time".
This might even be closer to what you intended to achieve as this might indeed save some nice projects from getting lost.
Don't make a proper install file and the project being in maemo extras a prerequisite. Instead make this the goal. Don't limit the projects in any way, but list them to get people involved. There sure are projects that people love, but that never got an install file or never were properly hildonized. Why don't try to achieve this via this wiki page? Something like "people love project xyz, so we encourage you to make it ready for prime time".
This might even be closer to what you intended to achieve as this might indeed save some nice projects from getting lost.
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2008-06-30
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#46
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Originally Posted by Master of Gizmo
Don't make a proper install file and the project being in maemo extras a prerequisite. Instead make this the goal.
I love it. The best Maemo apps that you may no know about.
Work with the developers to get it into the download section or even extras so that everyone will know how to get it.
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2008-06-30
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#47
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Originally Posted by geneven
Try Festival? Don't know if it's a decent reader IYHO or not...
A major, glamorous project that no one seems to be working on is text-to-speech. There is flite, but there should be some way of reading a text document, with a decent voice. I think this is important enough that someone at Nokia should be working on it -- I'm sure that Apple is working on an equivalent project. In many quarters there seems to be a misconception that this sort of thing is for blind people. I'm not blind; I just like to have my computer read to me. To do this now, I have to run Windows. If I had a Mac, I could run that. There is no decent reader in Linux (IMHO), which is where I spend most of my time.
It's available on the tablets now, courtesy of PB.
To me, an even more major and glamorous project is possible, but nobody's trying yet: Speech-to-text. At least in the limited-vocabularity sense of understanding voice commands, this should be doable in terms of processing power. But nothing's really been done yet. (I know, I know, that means I should get busy, doesn't it?
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2008-07-02
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Bringing this thread back on topic...
- Applications without proper install file are listed there, only not on the top. There are good reasons not to recommend application without working install file to average users.
- Same with being in maemo.org extras.
- Listing the interesting projects there no matter what pointing what is missing for prime time helps getting people involved, especially if we all agree the page is useful and needs awareness.
- "Hildonized" is not a requrement at all in that page. Finger/thumb ready UI and "decent design" are the factors, and they are by no means tied to Hildon only.
- "people love project xyz, so we encourage you to make it ready for prime time" - The current text says "Getting a list of these projects would help to * Improve their quality and promote them as ready to primetime. " Close enough, but it's an open wiki page and anybody can improve the current writing, including yourself.
I still fail to see why you see this page as your enemy and not your friend.
Originally Posted by Master of Gizmo
Isn't https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Remarkab...unity_projects accomplishing what you just said?
Don't make a proper install file and the project being in maemo extras a prerequisite. Instead make this the goal. Don't limit the projects in any way, but list them to get people involved. There sure are projects that people love, but that never got an install file or never were properly hildonized. Why don't try to achieve this via this wiki page? Something like "people love project xyz, so we encourage you to make it ready for prime time".
- Applications without proper install file are listed there, only not on the top. There are good reasons not to recommend application without working install file to average users.
- Same with being in maemo.org extras.
- Listing the interesting projects there no matter what pointing what is missing for prime time helps getting people involved, especially if we all agree the page is useful and needs awareness.
- "Hildonized" is not a requrement at all in that page. Finger/thumb ready UI and "decent design" are the factors, and they are by no means tied to Hildon only.
- "people love project xyz, so we encourage you to make it ready for prime time" - The current text says "Getting a list of these projects would help to * Improve their quality and promote them as ready to primetime. " Close enough, but it's an open wiki page and anybody can improve the current writing, including yourself.
I still fail to see why you see this page as your enemy and not your friend.
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2008-07-02
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Originally Posted by qgil
I believe he just meant that the applications at the top of the page do not need kudos/exposure, they are already well known. The items at the bottom of the page will not magically jump to the top just by being listed there.
Bringing this thread back on topic...
Isn't https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Remarkab...unity_projects accomplishing what you just said?
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I still fail to see why you see this page as your enemy and not your friend.
I think he just meant we should be concentrating on those items at the bottom of the page, not the top.
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2008-07-02
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This is pretty much what i meant. It puts focus on the usual suspects we all already know.
This page isn't my enemy. But it's also not my friend. I don't see any benefit a project has from being listed there. The page focusses on the fact that there are projects complying to certain political rules and others that don't. But that's by itself rather boring as users typically don't care about the repositories they download software from. This is especially true since maemo has mechanisms to make installations from other repositories rather simple.
Last edited by Master of Gizmo; 2008-07-02 at 14:41.
This page isn't my enemy. But it's also not my friend. I don't see any benefit a project has from being listed there. The page focusses on the fact that there are projects complying to certain political rules and others that don't. But that's by itself rather boring as users typically don't care about the repositories they download software from. This is especially true since maemo has mechanisms to make installations from other repositories rather simple.
Last edited by Master of Gizmo; 2008-07-02 at 14:41.