as much as i don't mind trying some of the ideas here i like a good challenge too, so the whole xterm program is something i would like to learn despite any difficulties towards hours of playing with it (i don't fustrate that easy), so if i need to reformat my mmc1 i will, i learn quick just looking for a little advice. thank you for all anyone has given, it gives me more to learn from. hope to return the favor.