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Thesandlord is offline Thesandlord
2008-07-31 , 00:29
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#901
How is a mouse more accurate than a touch screen? Thats confusing...
And there is mouse support, at least for USB (which I use). Bluetooth sometimes works. I use a wireless USB mouse, so its all good...
 
Picklesworth is offline Picklesworth
2008-07-31 , 00:37
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#902
Softer plastic or rubber keyboard keys that can be easily felt and are less slippery.
Slight gap between keyboard keys.
Less gap between parts of the device; my N810 has become a magnet for those little circles of paper from hole punches.
 
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2008-07-31 , 01:59
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#903
Originally Posted by Thesandlord View Post
How is a mouse more accurate than a touch screen? Thats confusing...
And there is mouse support, at least for USB (which I use). Bluetooth sometimes works. I use a wireless USB mouse, so its all good...
A touchscreen is VERY inaccurate even with a stylus. Firstly, a finger is a blunt object--so that's patently less accurate. Secondly, a stylus point press on a touchscreen is a guessed value based on contact points that feel pressure. Lastly, since you have to cover the spot to press the spot--you can't always see what you're drawing or pressing on.

If I could plug in my drawing tablet, I can DEFINITELY draw more accurately and with better ergonomics on-the-go. Also, a mouse will allow me to drag better, select whole lists (with a keyboard's CTRL and SHIFT keys) and so on. Just a WHOLE lot more accuracy and comfortable.


As for support--not without hacking.. and then it's not very good from what I've read (although I've yet to try it myself). I have a bluetooth mouse as well as a USB dongle to plug in an IMPS/2 style USB scroll-wheel mouse and it besides recognizing it as a mouse device, the GUI doesn't use it at all--no pointer, nothing. So it's obviously not supported by default for ordinary users.


Anyway.. that's not the topic of this thread, but my wants and needs are there for this.
 
Thesandlord is offline Thesandlord
2008-07-31 , 02:11
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@danramos - My bad. I didn't really understand what you meant. Yea, on the tablets its sometimes hard to click links and such.

Originally Posted by danramos View Post

As for support--not without hacking.. and then it's not very good from what I've read (although I've yet to try it myself). I have a bluetooth mouse as well as a USB dongle to plug in an IMPS/2 style USB scroll-wheel mouse and it besides recognizing it as a mouse device, the GUI doesn't use it at all--no pointer, nothing. So it's obviously not supported by default for ordinary users.


Anyway.. that's not the topic of this thread, but my wants and needs are there for this.
Actually its pretty good. Its in the repos now (called USB-mouse or something). Its just plug and play for me. The mouse cursor can be easily changed from invisible as well. But I agree, true mouse support would be nice, and even nicer would be a USB host port. With more and more devices with OTG and even Host (Pandora, UMPC, etc...) the N900 will need it.
 
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2008-07-31 , 02:25
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Originally Posted by Thesandlord View Post
@danramos - My bad. I didn't really understand what you meant. Yea, on the tablets its sometimes hard to click links and such.
No problem at all. That gave me a chance to elaborate my reasons and hopefully Nokia's folks will take it to heart better than just a one-off suggestion or critique.

It's also worth noting that I'm EXTREMELY pleased with my N800 and that many of my friends have gone out and bought N800's because of sheer envy. They can see me using it practically every hour of the day for SOMETHING (most often to listen to podcasts (THANK YOU GPODDER! yes--I donated.. heheh), sometimes to help me RECORD a podcast live wherever I am (I host a show--and yeah, I've plugged it there too.. hyeah!), often to check RSS feeds for things like Slashdot/Groklaw/etc and to check weather (THANK YOU OMWEATHER!!), and so on). So I want to take this moment to thank Nokia for this Linux based and.. MOSTLY.. open-source device. It can still be improved.. by a lot and without a lot of expense.. but EXCELLENT showing so far.

OK.. sorry for that chest-thumping moment.. on to the rest of the quote..

Originally Posted by Thesandlord View Post
Actually its pretty good. Its in the repos now (called USB-mouse or something). Its just plug and play for me. The mouse cursor can be easily changed from invisible as well. But I agree, true mouse support would be nice, and even nicer would be a USB host port. With more and more devices with OTG and even Host (Pandora, UMPC, etc...) the N900 will need it.
Agreed wholeheartedly on your points! I'll have to give this USB-mouse a go. I don't see it on the repository, though.. which one? I'll have to snoop around a bit and see if I'm overlooking it.

ALSO.. for the N900.. I want 1024 horizontal resolution.. forgot to mention that. Nevermind the folks saying it'll make text too small... that's what font sizes and zooming buttons are for. I just want the potential for very dense resolution. This is more of a WANT than a need, again.. but sometimes it's been a need depending on the situation.

Danke shoen!
 
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2008-07-31 , 14:20
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Don't think it is in the repos... There was a wiki page with a link to the deb at electronicproductonline (jolouis's shop), but the wiki seems to be broken...

Edit: The wiki's back! http://www.internettablettalk.com/wi..._and_USB_mouse
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2008-07-31 , 18:59
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#907
Originally Posted by Benson View Post
Don't think it is in the repos... There was a wiki page with a link to the deb at electronicproductonline (jolouis's shop), but the wiki seems to be broken...

Edit: The wiki's back! http://www.internettablettalk.com/wi..._and_USB_mouse
You are THE MAN! Thanks a lot! I'll give that a go! (Getting back on-topic, I DO hope they make this actually supported in future tablets. Want!)

Thanks again!
 
lardman is offline lardman
2008-07-31 , 19:42
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#908
Non-crappy built-in GPS chipset
I'd have thought this will be pretty high up the list of things to fix, it's certainly been noticed by lots of people in a negative way. I can't imagine Nokia will ignore this.

As for the rest:

* TI OMAP 3440 core with working OpenGL drivers
* CPU in the 800MHz range.
* Color bump on the LCD
* Similar or better battery life
Yes please to the above.

* Doubled RAM/Flash
Not too bothered about this, more RAM will reduce battery life.

* Dual SD-card slots
* Wifi/Bluetooth but no stupid cellular radio of any sort
* Ambidextrous button layout (twice the buttons, twice the fun!)
* No slider.
I need a keyboard, please keep the slider!

* Resolution bump on the LCD to ~1024x600
Not too bothered, text is too small at that DPI anyway, better to have a more fluid zoom like on the iPod, etc.

* Accelerometer-based screen rotation
Sounds good (not for the rotation, for the hacking )

* Multitouch
* h.264 hardware video decoding
On the OMAP3xxx this will be on the DSP, so we can do it ourselves if needs be. OpenMAX DSP components though please, let us use the closed source stuff in our pipelines!!

* Video-out of some kind
Definitely, this would be very cool (think presentation at LinuxTag )
 
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2008-07-31 , 20:47
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#909
Originally Posted by lardman View Post
I'd have thought this will be pretty high up the list of things to fix, it's certainly been noticed by lots of people in a negative way. I can't imagine Nokia will ignore this.

As for the rest:

* TI OMAP 3440 core with working OpenGL drivers
* CPU in the 800MHz range.
* Color bump on the LCD
* Similar or better battery life
Yes please to the above.

* Doubled RAM/Flash
Not too bothered about this, more RAM will reduce battery life.

* Dual SD-card slots
* Wifi/Bluetooth but no stupid cellular radio of any sort
* Ambidextrous button layout (twice the buttons, twice the fun!)
* No slider.
I need a keyboard, please keep the slider!

* Resolution bump on the LCD to ~1024x600
Not too bothered, text is too small at that DPI anyway, better to have a more fluid zoom like on the iPod, etc.

* Accelerometer-based screen rotation
Sounds good (not for the rotation, for the hacking )

* Multitouch
* h.264 hardware video decoding
On the OMAP3xxx this will be on the DSP, so we can do it ourselves if needs be. OpenMAX DSP components though please, let us use the closed source stuff in our pipelines!!

* Video-out of some kind
Definitely, this would be very cool (think presentation at LinuxTag )
I think I agree with a lot of that--but I don't think I care about the color increase--that would put more overhead on the CPU (also lowering the battery time as well). If the CPU has to do more work, it would do less work and would serve a better purpose having a high resolution screen--particularly for web browsing. I disagree that it would be hard to see at that pitch, though. This is a tablet device--near to your face--not a laptop on the desk at arms'-length.

More RAM would be MUCH better--it will MAYBE reduce battery life a little bit but the advantage of doubled memory is well worth the difference. A different, newer, battery might be in order here too. (I'll bet memristors would DEFINITELY solve this problem someday)

I couldn't care TOO much about the slider. If I really need a keyboard, I find it's better to use my folding BT keyboard.. and for anything else on-the-go, the touchscreen is fine as a keyboard. I think the slider adds unnecessary weight and battery drain (backlight, resistance, etc.). With the N800, I've never really had a problem with not having a keyboard to slide out.

Open hardware--definitely. I heartily agree that Nokia needs to open this up more. Nokia is there to sell customers what they want--not make it more attractive for a competitor to come along and snag away customers to a more open and useful platform when they come along and sell us something closer to what we actually wanted.

Video out--would be nice. Very nice! If it adds too much expensive and hardware, I'd probably rather not have it.. but there have been impromptu moments where I TRULY wish it did that. (meetings, gatherings with friends, etc.)

There's my $2 (inflation! whew!)
 
lardman is offline lardman
2008-07-31 , 21:29
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#910
lol, I replied to the General's post which is 3rd or so in this thread (i.e. on page 1!), my fault, changed to the low bandwidth mode and got confused
 
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