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	danramos	2008-08-04 , 18:11
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Originally Posted by bobloadmire

you're not a big fan of speed?

Its not like the atom would kill the battery life. 0.65 watts? Other tablets have it.
and x86 would rock, you could put vista or OS X on there if you wanted.

although probably wouldn't want to.

No no.. I'm saying that I knew that's what you had intended. ("I called it!" as in betting, where you guessed the outcome correctly.)

Although, I agree with your sentiment for speed, and I wouldn't MIND an Atom processor, I'm ambivalent on what TYPE of processor is in there. I'm more concerned right now with just bumping up the speed until it's at a sweet spot of being JUST fast enough to do what I need. Laptops and desktop PC's passed that point for me years ago and the N800 is pretty good.. but it just needs a slight kick up in speed and cache on the processor. The fact that it's an ARM helps because it's a very power efficient RISC processor and performs very fast despite what the MHz label tells you.

Personally, I think I'd rather continue to use ARM processors but I hurt for speed enough to be open to a change if it's necessary.

As for OS X and Vista.. no. I don't want that. Not at all. Oh God, no.

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bobloadmire	2008-08-04 , 18:12
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well acording to wikipedia the 800mhz atom is .65 watts/ I searched that page and everyone assumed it was 2.5 watts which is a load more.

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sjgadsby	2008-08-04 , 18:17
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Originally Posted by bobloadmire

do the atoms not suspened like the OMAP processors do?

Atom isn't a system on a chip as OMAP is. Even if the Atom processor can achieve low power draw, all the other chips necessary for Atom to do anything push the power consumption of an Atom-based tablet well higher than an OMAP-based one.

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	danramos	2008-08-04 , 18:21
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Originally Posted by sjgadsby

Atom isn't a system on a chip as OMAP is. Even if the Atom processor can achieve low power draw, all the other chips necessary for Atom to do anything push the power consumption of an Atom-based tablet well higher than an OMAP-based one.

Now that I think about it, didn't someone successfully make a whole Commodore 64-on-a-chip? How about one of those in the tablet?

Joking. Don't hurt me. Please--not the face!

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sjgadsby	2008-08-04 , 18:29
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Originally Posted by danramos

...didn't someone successfully make a whole Commodore 64-on-a-chip?

Yes, but the people who complain on here that keeping an N800/N810 in a pants pocket results in an unsightly bulge are really going to be unhappy with those.

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bobloadmire	2008-08-04 , 18:33
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i think im just tired of not being able to play a standard divx file smoothly with mplayer or canola.

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	GeneralAntilles	2008-08-04 , 18:50
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Originally Posted by bobloadmire

i think im just tired of not being able to play a standard divx file smoothly with mplayer or canola.

Well, you're in luck! The OMAP3430 can handle decoding up to 720p.

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	danramos	2008-08-04 , 18:52
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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles

Well, you're in luck! The OMAP3430 can handle decoding up to 720p.

Yeah, that's actually a big deal to me too. I would LIKE to be able to take the stuff from off of my NAS where the Neuros OSD drops stuff off and simply copy and play it on the go (or simply play it over the network) without skipping and jerking and tearing and so on.

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	Benson	2008-08-04 , 19:27
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For the Atom debate: remember that an Atom is singularly poor in performance per clock cycle; trimming the power consumption of an x86 isn't a free lunch, so you've got to account for varying performance/MHz ratios on both architectures. And x86 binary compatibility get's very little we can't have now; Debian has FF (make that IceWeasel) and OOo builds, so Skype with video is about the only popular x86-only app I can think of. Wine, too, on second thought, but still...

Unless you want to run a closed OS (Windows or OSX), the atom looks to me like a bad idea in general, and a very bad idea in an N8x0-class device.

Originally Posted by danramos

Ohho... OMAP3430 would be VERY good. I'm satisfied with that. (Agreed on the MHz discussion.. but it's still relevant on some level--I don't see anynoe discussing bogomips or any other measurement.. although maybe we should).

Not bogomips, NO!... Other performance metrics, perhaps, but bogomips is not a useful measurement for anything but calibrating a certain delay loop; that's why it's calculated at all. In a given processor family, it's directly proportional to clock speed, so it's also used as a surrogate for clock speed, but never use it for comparing machines of different processor types.

(And yes, other (real) benchmarks aren't bad, but then we'll just descend to arguing the merits of various benchmarks... they're not the automatic infusion of objectivity we might wish for.)

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	danramos	2008-08-04 , 19:41
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Originally Posted by Benson

...x86 binary compatibility get's very little we can't have now...Wine, too, on second thought, but still...

My thoughts exactly.. hence my ambivalence to processor type--I just advantages of running Linux, not necessarily compatibility with other architectures. Even WINE seems kind of pointless--I'm not sure there's a lot of need for that on a tablet without a mouse and a keyboard. I've got better things to do than run Windows apps on my tablet.

Originally Posted by Benson

Not bogomips, NO!...
...And yes, other (real) benchmarks aren't bad, but then we'll just descend to arguing the merits of various benchmarks... they're not the automatic infusion of objectivity we might wish for.)

True... well said.