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2008-08-11 , 21:46
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Originally Posted by AbelMN View Post
Can we please keep the ITT Wiki ? The ITT wiki is useful for end-users: the Maemo Wiki is fine, but limited and aimed at a much more technical audience (or incrowd).
The Maemo wiki is aimed at wherever the community wants it aimed. You think it needs more user-oriented articles, then get to it and write some.

*****ing about it isn't useful.

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Just for the record: I appreciate the Maemo Community 's work very much. Without this work the N8X0 series can’t survive. And the products are Excellent ! I certainly do not want to complain about the Maemo Wiki Pages. I understand very well that if I want to use the Maemo pages I should invest more time and effort. If I can find this time I certainly will. But right now I am just a simple end-user.
Talk is fine and all, but actions are a whole lot more useful.

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Last but not Least. I did notice, General, that you are one of the most active contributors to the ITT and I do respect your contributions. Most of them are helpful, however sometimes very detailed and technical.
Some subjects are technical, that is way of the world. Not everything can be boiled down so the lowest-common denominator can consume it.

Originally Posted by AbelMN View Post
I would appreciate nonetheless that “Senior Experts” would limit themselves to their expertise. Answers like : “Go to Wiki”, or “Do a search”, or "This answer is wrong" don’t help the Maemo community or the ITT community. You can’t control end-users or Newbies!


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May I suggest, General, you update Maemo Wiki first, or even better: harmonize both wiki’s, before you make such a reference ?
Put up or shut up.

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I can only hope that the ITT Wiki remains understandable for “dummies” like me ! It is now and I appreciate the content, even if it is not always up-to date (Neither is the Maemo Wiki)
The subject matter sets the tone of any article, not the whole of the wiki. Technical subjects require technical articles, simple subjects do not.

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It crossed my mind that the ITS should not be accessible for 'Senior Members'. Just joking of course, and I appreciate that most of the senior members do consider their audience !
Don't worry, I wont be contributing there.
 
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#82
* The ITT wiki contains no notice it is deprecated, nor is it in maintenance mode, and its still referenced to on ITT website;
* Some people aren't happy with the stability, reliability & usability of wiki.maemo.org whereas maemo.org is being revamped;
* Some people still read & write on the ITT wiki;
* The content is far from being merged;

Depricated? Wishful thinking. There is a lot to be done first, and its a huge spaghetti of information to deal with. Surely, it'll be around before the previously mentioned problems are fixed. So no worries Abel
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Also note: the wiki will never be great if we decide not to use it because it's not awesome now. An investment has to be made first, and if we never use it because that investment hasn't yet been made . . . well, it's a Catch-22 and a stupid situation to be in.

My point wasn't that you should use the wiki because it's completely 100% up-to-speed now, but because it's where most, and eventually all, of the future effort will be going (from me and a lot of other experienced and intelligent folk).

maemo.org's wiki is the future, itT's wiki is the past.
 

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Hey guys maybe we should make a new thread if we are going to discuss the wiki, I don't think it really fits under this post.
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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles View Post
Also note: the wiki will never be great if we decide not to use it because it's not awesome now.

I don't care about awesome, I'll take *STABLE* over awesome any day.
 
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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles View Post
Also note: the wiki will never be great if we decide not to use it because it's not awesome now. An investment has to be made first, and if we never use it because that investment hasn't yet been made . . . well, it's a Catch-22 and a stupid situation to be in.
So instead of flaming people, like you did with Abel, start a team which works on this effort (the merging, especially). If you move data from one wiki to another, remove the content, and link to the new content. Then you know what has been merged and what hasn't and a pointer is there, too. But, like I said, the people who do this need to have the incentive to do so, and I think due to above reasons there isn't enough incentive (yet).
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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles View Post
Also note: the wiki will never be great if we decide not to use it because it's not awesome now. An investment has to be made first, and if we never use it because that investment hasn't yet been made . . . well, it's a Catch-22 and a stupid situation to be in.

My point wasn't that you should use the wiki because it's completely 100% up-to-speed now, but because it's where most, and eventually all, of the future effort will be going (from me and a lot of other experienced and intelligent folk).

maemo.org's wiki is the future, itT's wiki is the past.
If the future is full of broken things that only work half the time then yeah its the wiki of the future. Don't get me wrong I want to post to both wiki's but I can't post to maemo.org wiki it wont let me.
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Originally Posted by allnameswereout View Post
So instead of flaming people, like you did with Abel, start a team which works on this effort (the merging, especially). If you move data from one wiki to another, remove the content, and link to the new content. Then you know what has been merged and what hasn't and a pointer is there, too. But, like I said, the people who do this need to have the incentive to do so, and I think due to above reasons there isn't enough incentive (yet).
How about some of you guys puts a little effort into things like this for a change? I've put my time in in both wikis (you do realize most of the current organization of the itT wiki was mine and technut's doing, right?), but I don't have unlimited free-time, and doing everything for everybody wont work.

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If the future is full of broken things that only work half the time then yeah its the wiki of the future. Don't get me wrong I want to post to both wiki's but I can't post to maemo.org wiki it wont let me.
As I've already said, the wiki will be fixed with the server upgrades that'll be coming shortly (the downtime this morning was the first step towards them).

Besides, lots of people edit the wiki just fine. Do you just not have an account?
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I'm half way insulted that you would think that I didn't have an account. I used to use the wiki fine, and I have several Garage projects, yes I have an account. Part of my problem might be IE7 but I've never had problems with IE7 and any other wiki's I find if I refresh the page about 8 times then some times it will finally go thru this morning I tried for 30 mins and it wouldnt' take my post. I do think that we shouldn't talk about moving everything to maemo wiki until it is stable, once it is stable I will be more then happy to help move itT Wiki Stuff over to Maemo wiki. Until it stable enough for me to post stuff there I'll keep posting it here and trying to post there.
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Related to the current maemo.org issues I filed bug #3564.

Quoting from comment #1,

The server hits MaxClients. Probably all caches for the search engines timed
out and now they start to crawl again?

Just a few days before work on the new servers starts......
So, basically, between the server move and the Diablo update, maemo.org is getting pounded.
 
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