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2008-08-12
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Originally Posted by gemniii42
Um... you mean ALPHA testers? There is not a lot on the NIT's I would consider production quality.
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2008-08-12
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Originally Posted by brontide
Counter-point: Modest is retrieving and notifying with Gmail just fine here.
Modest is borked in a new and more annoying way. It is never able to complete a retrieval scan. So rather than telling me I have new mail and crashing, it's getting stuck and I don't get new mail notification at all. In fact I have to killall modest just to get ANY updates.
Are you sure it does't have anything to do with Gmail having been down?
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2008-08-12
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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles
No. I was using it under Mail.app and the web at the same time. killall modest and reloading would bring up the new mail, but no notification.
Counter-point: Modest is retrieving and notifying with Gmail just fine here.
Are you sure it does't have anything to do with Gmail having been down?
After rebooting a few times it appears to be working again for me as well, but it does not instill any confidence at this point that reboots were necessary to clear the problem.
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2008-08-12
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I can very much understand the frustrations expressed by some people in this thread.
But there are also some other sides of story. For example, I am using Evolution + IMAP and my Modest + IMAP and both worked very well today. I haven't had any crashes with Modest either. Also, this is first time SSU is used, many people report success, there are bugfixes which have been reported to improve the usability of the device, and with all the 3rd party and experimental stuff people install or change it is difficult for Nokia to keep such into account. Furthermore, with a software update, instead of installing it, its wise to always first wait until the first issues are popping up. If you really have a production environment in which your NIT is important you should consider to have one device for testing and one for productivity.
My connection panel didn't work well anymore. I could use it, but I could not select any connection so my WiFi was dead. I rebooted which fixed the problem.
But there are also some other sides of story. For example, I am using Evolution + IMAP and my Modest + IMAP and both worked very well today. I haven't had any crashes with Modest either. Also, this is first time SSU is used, many people report success, there are bugfixes which have been reported to improve the usability of the device, and with all the 3rd party and experimental stuff people install or change it is difficult for Nokia to keep such into account. Furthermore, with a software update, instead of installing it, its wise to always first wait until the first issues are popping up. If you really have a production environment in which your NIT is important you should consider to have one device for testing and one for productivity.
My connection panel didn't work well anymore. I could use it, but I could not select any connection so my WiFi was dead. I rebooted which fixed the problem.
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2008-08-13
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I'm lucky to have both a N800 and N810, so I use the N800 as my test-bed, so I can see the impact before it gets onto my N810.
Thank goodness I didn't upgrade to the new firmware on my N810, as its been worse than a let down. I use the web-browser alot, and its so much worse, page loading times and stalling (especially on the BBC pages!) random closing of the browser if I use the back button, awful text entry on screen, I find it easier to view webpages on my N95 phone than I do on the N800. Battery life is now very poor, e-mail is driving me crazy. The only thing that seems to work better is Transmission!
BT
Thank goodness I didn't upgrade to the new firmware on my N810, as its been worse than a let down. I use the web-browser alot, and its so much worse, page loading times and stalling (especially on the BBC pages!) random closing of the browser if I use the back button, awful text entry on screen, I find it easier to view webpages on my N95 phone than I do on the N800. Battery life is now very poor, e-mail is driving me crazy. The only thing that seems to work better is Transmission!
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2008-08-13
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Originally Posted by BigTony
You sure your internal card isn't corrupted? This is clearly not a typical experience.
I'm lucky to have both a N800 and N810, so I use the N800 as my test-bed, so I can see the impact before it gets onto my N810.
Thank goodness I didn't upgrade to the new firmware on my N810, as its been worse than a let down. I use the web-browser alot, and its so much worse, page loading times and stalling (especially on the BBC pages!) random closing of the browser if I use the back button, awful text entry on screen, I find it easier to view webpages on my N95 phone than I do on the N800. Battery life is now very poor, e-mail is driving me crazy. The only thing that seems to work better is Transmission!
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2008-08-13
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I tested the update on my N800 while my N810 is still happily running Chinook (which I still prefer).
It went fine on the N800 and the correct version shows up in the product information, but I noticed that there are still two very annoying Diablo problems left which I never experienced with Chinook.
1. The desktop process or some of the _built-in_ applets (I don't have 3rd party applets on my Diablo) still leaks memory. Every day or the other, it forces me to manually kill the process to reset the desktop. browserd is also a memory hog and should really be shut down when not using the browser. I've read that some applets use browserd as well to render their content, but wouldn't it be enough to use a simple gtkhtml/webkit for the applets?
2. The browser's user interface is often totally frozen while loading data. This could be a Firefox-Problem (I experience the same on my computer) due to some lack of asynchronous IO. But somehow I have the feeling that this was better under Chinook.
In my opinion, it's still too early to use Diablo on a "production" unit.
It went fine on the N800 and the correct version shows up in the product information, but I noticed that there are still two very annoying Diablo problems left which I never experienced with Chinook.
1. The desktop process or some of the _built-in_ applets (I don't have 3rd party applets on my Diablo) still leaks memory. Every day or the other, it forces me to manually kill the process to reset the desktop. browserd is also a memory hog and should really be shut down when not using the browser. I've read that some applets use browserd as well to render their content, but wouldn't it be enough to use a simple gtkhtml/webkit for the applets?
2. The browser's user interface is often totally frozen while loading data. This could be a Firefox-Problem (I experience the same on my computer) due to some lack of asynchronous IO. But somehow I have the feeling that this was better under Chinook.
In my opinion, it's still too early to use Diablo on a "production" unit.
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2008-08-13
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Originally Posted by pycage
What're are you using to come to this conclusion . . . top?
browserd is also a memory hog and should really be shut down when not using the browser. I've read that some applets use browserd as well to render their content, but wouldn't it be enough to use a simple gtkhtml/webkit for the applets?
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2008-08-13
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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles
Yeah, I know that busybox's top sucks for this, but I was using it.
What're are you using to come to this conclusion . . . top?
On the other hand I'm quite allergic to unnecessary processes running in the background. And a browser process while not surfing is IMHO unnecessary.
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2008-08-13
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I haven' experienced any of the above mentioned problems but I'll keep my eye out for them.
I run booted from the internal card (N810) and after installing the update the initfs_flash multiboot option was gone and it would only boot from flash. Fortunately I could re-run the initfs script to reinstate it. To my surprise booting again from the internal card shows the updated OS version.
Frank
I run booted from the internal card (N810) and after installing the update the initfs_flash multiboot option was gone and it would only boot from flash. Fortunately I could re-run the initfs script to reinstate it. To my surprise booting again from the internal card shows the updated OS version.
Frank
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