I looked into that, but MM seemed like a glorified version of gps enabled google maps to me. I didn't see a way to look up hotels, ATMs, Gas Stations, etc. and then do turn by turn routing to them.

I'm glad to hear you are doing such thorough research. I'm not going to spend any more time on this, except to suggest that you might want to continue your research efforts.

I understand your frustration with the 770, But the n800 and later on the n810 are totally a different league from the 770. Now i know you would think we are fan boys.....but seriously if and when you try out an internet tablet other than the 770, you seriously would understand what the fuss is all about.

Oh boy, the thread has descended into this again! I'm new enough to this forum that I'm not bored when this happens.

Having now installed Debian on my N810, I have taken to laughing mercilessly at those who say they have more apps on their devices. My device has more apps than anyone can shake a stick at. My device has apps that aren't even meant for it running happily.
(BTW: Epiphany with WebKit under Debian is faster than the built in browser by an order of magnitude. Nokia needs to look into this...)

See, you WinMo people can go on all you want about it having lots of applications, but when was the last time you were able to actually put a different operating system (a desktop operating system, at that) on your WM phone? That is where the N810 really shines; it is a freely hackable device.

But wait, we don't have MS Word or MS Exchange compatibility, do we?

We do? What's this "OpenOffice"? And isn't Evolution just a theory?

I understand the 8xx devices are better than the 770, but in the end, they are still more expensive and more limited than what I paid for the mogul + phone plan.

I'm glad your happy with debian. I have no need for another OS on my phone, since I can get every application I'd ever need on winmo. And I don't want to learn debian, I just want to use the device. I'm not in the IT or computer industry, and I don't have time or care to learn another OS just to get an IT to work better. I understand its great for you, but there are lots of people who don't want to bother with all of the workarounds to get things to work on the IT.

I already get everything I need without work arounds - syncing with outlook, MS Office apps, GPS, Phone, camera and video, and a wide array of browsers and apps I can easily install without changing the OS or looking for a repository.

Things like seeing youtube or break.com videos stream properly in the browser on the actual website (not the mobile version) was something I could never do with the IT. using the same navigation software that comes on Garmin, TomTom, and I-Go is very nice, and not having to do anything to get it to sync with my calendar, email, etc is also very welcome. And its also my cell phone. And, I don't need to be in a wifi hotspot to go online, I can do that just about anywhere in the world. Even when I was in the Mexican Riviera this summer, I got high speed EVDO service!

I understand the nokia is a better device for you, as you have obviously figured out all the work-arounds and OS hacking you need to do to make it work better. That's great.

The last six months I've spent with the mogul has completely convinced me that it is a much much better device for me. Ease of use, stability, and availability of applications were all much higher than what I experienced with the 770. and I didn't have to "hack" the OS on my phone to get it.

Glad you like your mogul.

A full price (unsubsidized) Mogul costs quite a bit. And you didn't pay less for it. You're paying less for it _up_front_. But some of your cell phone bill is subsidizing that up-front cost (yes, even on SERO).

The idea that you paid less for your Mogul than I paid for my N810 is nothing short of naive. You paid less up front. I paid less in total.


But, that set of factual rebuttal out of the way, Nokia (and the anti-radio faction of IT fans) do need to take notice of a simple fact: Perception is often more important than the facts behind those perceptions. And what's relevant in this thread is that Mike-y is representing that horde of ignorant customers who only pay attention to the up-front cost.

Nokia would get better tablet sales, due to better _PERCEIVED_ pricing, if they were subsidized by _someone_. And one of the easiest/best sources of that subsidy is: cell phone carriers. Which means: you have to put a cellular/mobile radio into the device, and get a carrier to distribute it.

(and WiMAX doesn't count _right_now_ ... sure, in 3-5 years, when the infrastructure is built out, when it has a big enough customer base for Xohm to be offering subsidized devices, then WiMAX will count; the only things that count right now are: CDMA, EVDO, GSM, and UMTS ... though, I suppose you could count wifi _IF_ you could get one of those "use any wifi hotspot" brokers to carry a NIT under a subsidized deal)

you seem to forget that I had been paying for a cell phone ANYWAY. sprints plan was LESS than my current cellphone plan and it gives me online access just about everywhere, not just wifi hotspots. So the mogul actually SAVES me money in the long term - to the tune of roughly $11 a month over my previous cell phone plan.

so the lower upfront cost is still valid, because I (and most other people) already had a monthly expense for a cell phone. I just managed to decrease that expense, and use it to expand the functionality of my device.

and I like how qole thinks I'm a troll because I disagree with him. I guess if you are not part of the unanimous agreement that the IT is the best device regardless, you are a troll. Closed minds hamper progress. if anything, I hope the people at nokia are more open to other's opinions and can use that criticism to make a better device. If I am a troll, the qole is like the religious nutjob standing in the back of his pickup truck at the local supermarket so convinced in his belief that he completely blocks out any other alternative view, regardless of its merit or purpose.

the IT serves a good purpose, I just think it needs to be better in some areas to to be a great device and a better competitor, and boost sales.

Ahem. Anyway, thank you for your interesting review of the HTC Touch Diamond, Reaver.