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That one cracks me up.

Yet more incentive to redouble my efforts to get every piece of closed-source software on the platform either opened or replaced (see Advanced Backlight ).
It's 80% more than some competitors.
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I would LOVE to see a multifunction card slot that supported various accessories, such as cell modems, WiMAX modems, etc. But when I first threw that out here wayyyy back when I was amazed at the opposition. Some people don't want expandability. Wow.
Well, you've got SDIO and ExpressCard. ExpressCard isn't supported well by OMAP, and is absolutely huge on the tablet's scale. SDIO is already included in the N8x0's card controller, so it looks like a much more appealing option.
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It's 80% more than some competitors.
So what? We're not talking about competitors, we're talking about Maemo and Nokia.
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So what? We're not talking about competitors, we're talking about Maemo and Nokia.
Yeah, but neither exists in a bubble.
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And you guys shouldn't get so worked up over the specs of one device, anyway, given that this truly will be a product family.
Really, though? I remember you saying the N800 and N810 were co-existing devices forming a family; but they weren't: the N810 has completely replaced the N800 in terms of Nokia's marketing and, in some instances, availability.

Given the next device is orders of magnitude more powerful (by having the OMAP3 and graphics acceleration) it'd be utter foolishness on Nokia's part to try to maintain the N810 and N9xx on the same platform (however, as GeneralAntilles' pointed out: there'd be riots if they don't).

Of course, you might be hinting that there'll be a family of N9xx devices to cater to different needs. That would be big news - I'm not sure I'm convinced it makes the best sense, but would be very interesting ;-)

Now, some will be irritated that each progressive release will have better features, and if the next device supports an unwanted SIM and costs an additional $XX for the luxury I can understand why they would be put off.
My concern about the HSPA focuses around three points:
  1. Increases development and regulatory costs. Therefore production costs are, all else being equal, higher. Now, different components can change the "all else being equal" bit.
  2. May diminish the focus on Bluetooth connections and keeping that a first tier option.
  3. SIM-only broadband plans aren't massively advertised in the UK (if they exist). The closest are £15 ($30) a month for a 3G USB dongle. Not sure the SIM card can be extracted, but that's nearly doubling my line rental.

But I think people will be surprised at the eventual cost. While you may not buy a Palm Centro solely for PDA purposes, you just *might* find the "NxxxHSPA" useful AND cost-acceptable even if you don't make cell calls with it.
The HSPA bit will cost me in the region of $350 a year. That's a lot of money. If the NxxxHSPA was subsidised to free by a carrier on a £15pm contract, that'd be fine (but that reduces many of the benefits of the original two-device proposition). But I'd be surprised if they did that, given the feature set makes it look like a high end phone.
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Ultimately, the same way eveyone makes sure all web pages render correctly and identically on every browser.
So this would mean that Nokia (and probably Google) are going to put themselves in a position where telephony standards begin to look more like the W3C. Good if they can pull it off, bad if another IE4-6 trip happens.

Does the various Linux foundations that Nokia is a part of have any precident towards this level of standards development.

And I agree, the FCC will have to open things up considerably. Man does this open a can of beans that cannot be stopped without some nicely public pandering and lobbying (in the US). Outside of the US, this might be a great equalizer for some markets better than others.

This really has me thinking...
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bad if another IE4-6 trip happens.
sounds like skype to me...
 

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Really, though? I remember you saying the N800 and N810 were co-existing devices forming a family; but they weren't: the N810 has completely replaced the N800 in terms of Nokia's marketing and, in some instances, availability.
You cannot so casually dismiss the period of overlap. However, I do wish the N800 was still currently produced. Also, I'm not limiting my comments to the current status quo. I'm not really hinting that there are solid plans for broad diversity, but I think we can all agree that would be the (ultimate) necessary state.


The HSPA bit will cost me in the region of $350 a year.
Only if you utilize it.

I think we can all agree that there are cost/benefit analyses we all perform, even if they're instinctive and emotional. Will I buy an "NxxxHSPA" even if I don't use it and the extra cost is $20 USD? Yes. $40 USD? Maybe. $80 USD? Doubtful. But you get the picture.

I just think people need to calm down a bit and not turn the addition of an HSPA radio into the Internet Tablet Apocalypse. "Kill the platform"... sheesh.
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Yeah, but neither exists in a bubble.
Why do you say that? You exist in your gun-free-zone bubble. Why don't you move to Europe and Canada?

The N8x0 is fine with just the BT and WiFi radios. Anything which ties these devices to the cellular companies will have undesirable consequences.
 
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Why do you say that? You exist in your gun-free-zone bubble. Why don't you move to Europe and Canada?

The N8x0 is fine with just the BT and WiFi radios. Anything which ties these devices to the cellular companies will have undesirable consequences.
Please take your bizarre and misguided political rantings elsewhere.

And you are significantly misunderstanding what the HSPA development portends. I suggest you read a bit more and ponder a bit harder.
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