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2008-09-22 , 19:04
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Anyone think they might throw in OLED screen with haptic?
There were definite hints (just short of all-out statements) in the Nokia presentations that the next screen will be multitouch and haptic. But, they were hints, and as such, I'm taking them as "we want this as much as you, but there may be technical difficulties so we're not promising anything..."
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#302
Looks like there will be multi-touch, that sounded kinda certain...

EDIT: (Or at least there will be multi-touch support in Maemo 5 )
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2008-09-22 , 19:09
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everyone, telco's, cable companies, anything that runs a wire or two way radio signal into a building or area, is a isp these days.
Well, most of the mobile carriers still don't think so. Even after the iPhone. And that is only to their harm.

I think the iPhone didn't cause panic in the industry because Apple was very very careful not to position their device as an Internet device; they've made it very difficult to put any app on the phone, and I think it is as much because they don't want to rock the mobile industry that much quite yet. I strongly suspect that Apple actually does get it, and they want to build their market share to serious levels first, and then, (along with Nokia) destroy the industry completely.

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im damned tempted to pack a bag, and see if i can survive as a digital nomad these days...
Wait a few months. Spring 2009 should be a very interesting time. I'll probably be joining you as a digital hobo.
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Originally Posted by Bundyo View Post
Looks like there will be multi-touch, that sounded kinda certain...
So did haptic, actually. Just as certain as multi-touch.

EDIT: I should clarify; the slide with the multi-touch picture had a haptic picture too (a finger with ripples moving out from it), and the word "haptic" was mentioned at least as often as multi-touch... maybe twice or three times.
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Originally Posted by qole View Post
I think the iPhone didn't cause panic in the industry because Apple was very very careful not to position their device as an Internet device; they've made it very difficult to put any app on the phone, and I think it is as much because they don't want to rock the mobile industry that much quite yet. I strongly suspect that Apple actually does get it, and they want to build their market share to serious levels first, and then, (along with Nokia) destroy the industry completely.
or it could be that apple see the iphone as something that they wish they could turn the low end mac's into, a kind of apple services terminal.

the way i see it, apple is going head to head with google.

and with making sure that the iphone cant randomly connect to some third party services without going thru apples own systems (see their lock down on im and similar) they are attempting to make damn sure that some third party cant piggyback on their success...

hell, just watch their recent shooting down of a on the go podcast downloading app.

mobileme and itms is where apple is pinning their future, not macbook pro and mac pro. after the shift to x86, those are just another gray box with a fancy os.
 
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Wait a few months. Spring 2009 should be a very interesting time. I'll probably be joining you as a digital hobo.
hmm, i just have to ask. are you familiar with a chinese curse that go something like this?

"may you live in interesting times"
 
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I contributed to your ItT Data plans Wiki entry, but, frankly, there are about 50 different data plans available in Germany and they change almost every month. There are 4 networks and further resellers, you can different plans depending wether they are tied to a single device or not, tied to the operator portal, usable only around your home, all over Germany or include usage in foreign countries. There are plans by byte, by minute, with and without monthly charge, with and (rarely) without minimal duration... If I put them all (which I am not going to do, understandably), the wiki will more than double...
(It isn't my entry )

Yes, I see this becomes quite complex, although you could start a specific entry called $NAME/Germany. Also, the most interesting entries are IMO the verified ones ie. the ones the contributor actually uses or used.

24/7 Internet connectivity a small device has been offered here for at least 3 years, but it depends what you call "Internet connectivity".
Probably longer given GPRS.

BTW: even Symbian phones allow 24/7 Internet connectivity. My E51 is configured to check my e-mail regularly, and allows sip as well. It has a quite usable browser. I use it to listen to Internet radio stations, etc... Internet connectivity was not the "revolutionary" part of the 770, the fact that it ran linux and thus was an open device was.
Its a combination of factors, perhaps also a whole new platform (Maemo, Hildon) and the fact Nokia dabbled into this market. The Sharp Zaurus also provided internet connectivity, and ran Linux. One of my beefs with the Zaurus was that the WWW browsing was severely cluttered, so usability might also be an argument for 770.

Oh..., yes. Certainly. And have it reread by an army of lawyers if you can...
Oh, don't be sarcastic. Many people don't even read them. They just sign a contract without knowing what they sign. I once had a bank trying to pull me into this trick, and I told them to go **** themselves. And, to give another example: whenever I got hired, I first read the contract.

If you're a business going to use several of [these] contracts it might be wise if not more important to indeed have a lawyer read the contract.

There are ways to work around any ban on the Internet. I sure know... (In practice just trying non standard ports is usually sufficient.)
Its a cat and mouse game which, if telcos want to win, means many people will lose. Ie. ban of cryptographic protocols, or only allow specific protocols.
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2008-09-22 , 19:24
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hmm, i just have to ask. are you familiar with a chinese curse that go something like this?

"may you live in interesting times"
I'm familiar with it, and I just shrug when I hear it uttered as a curse. Only those unwilling to change and adapt find "interesting" to be scary. The only time "interesting" becomes scary is if it threatens my life or the lives of my family. Otherwise, the roller-coaster of "interesting times" is the best part of life.
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2008-09-22 , 19:25
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Originally Posted by tso View Post
hmm, i just have to ask. are you familiar with a chinese curse that go something like this?
"may you live in interesting times"
I think this notion made sense in a far away time and place where the state of things (be it war or peace) and the social model stayed the same for expanses of time that would be unbelievable to us - 'cause we were *born* cursed :-)
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[hints about multi touch]
My understanding is that the current technology for multitouch disallows use of stylus (or anything other than actual fingers), due to relying on capacitive digitizers. If so, that would leave out a lot of uses (including hand writing recognition I should think). If the next-gen device is going to have multitouch I hope the technology has moved pass that limitation for sure.
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