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Originally Posted by qole
He was there. I watched him give his part of a presentation. I believe you were sitting in on the multimedia presentation at the time.
I was expecting Igor to show up...
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Originally Posted by sjgadsby
You're kidding. Oh well. He didn't have any hardware to show, did he?
He was there. I watched him give his part of a presentation. I believe you were sitting in on the multimedia presentation at the time.
And I might have been in the front room chatting with developers, too. It seemed like there was someone there who could answer any of my questions. Not all the same person, of course. But wow.
Off topic a bit here, but...
It was fun to be at c-base, and look at my link-local list of contacts and see the name "rob taylor" show up. "Please wave your hand," I type, and this guy at a nearby table looks around and starts waving. I'm surprised, of course, because he's using an IBM laptop, not the usual Mac laptop that most link local users have. "How come you're on link local?" I ask, and he says, "Oh I'm the guy behind the telepathy suite; I'm running Empathy on my laptop."
I hope the collabora guys get Bonjour / link-local fixed for Diablo. It is very cool.
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2008-09-22
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Originally Posted by dafrabbit
Resistive, "normal" touchscreen only; this senses pressure (actually closer to force).
I'm not quite sure about this...I know on old pen-input touchscreens, special styluses were needed for the screen to register the input...but if it registers touch? Dunno.
What type of touchscreen is on the ITs currently?
I have an HP tx2000; it has a dual-tech screen with a resistive touchscreen (fingers and plain stylii) and a Wacom digitizer with a passive (but special) stylus. The stylus takes no batteries, but distinguishes tip vs. eraser, has pressure sensitivity, a side button, and moves the cursor around when hovering up to ~0.5" over the screen. (Also, when it's within this range, the computer ignores input from the touchscreen, allowing you to rest your hand on the screen while writing. There's no reason I know why a capacitive multi-touch sensor can't be similarly combined with a digitizer, though I'd bet the digitizer uses substantial power.
I'd really like to see such a dual screen in the N9xx, with the digitizer shut down by a switch in the silo.
As for what multi-touch is good for anyway... finger-tracking!
When you're using one finger (or stylus) on the display, touching it with another finger doesn't have to drag the pointer over to the centroid, but can keep it with the present finger. This could also make two-thumb on-screen keyboarding go a lot faster, as you wouldn't have to guarantee you lift before your other thumb hits. To say nothing of Pyano.
Even if you only use one cursor, and no gestures, a good finger-tracking (and switching, when appropriate) algorithm can make a multi-touch display a lot less glitchy. I'd be thrilled to see this much, although gestures and such are cool, too...
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2008-09-22
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The problem with "cool" things is you get tired of them very quickly (as other things are becoming "cool"). Better stay with technologies that aren't the cool stuff du jour but will remain useful tomorrow.
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2008-09-22
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thats what i see when i see multi-touch, not those demo friendly gestures, but being able to control multiple things on the screen at the same time. or have a shift key in software.
hell, give me bomberman with multi-touch
who needs hardware gamepads
hell, give me bomberman with multi-touch
who needs hardware gamepads
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2008-09-22
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Originally Posted by tso
i cant even do this in my brain, why would i want to do it on a screen?
thats what i see when i see multi-touch, not those demo friendly gestures, but being able to control multiple things on the screen at the same time.
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2008-09-22
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Originally Posted by benny1967
Ah, you poor souls without ADHD.
i cant even do this in my brain, why would i want to do it on a screen?
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2008-09-22
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Originally Posted by allnameswereout
This is what I did, isn't it?
you could start a specific entry called $NAME/Germany.
Its a combination of factors, perhaps also a whole new platform (Maemo, Hildon) and the fact Nokia dabbled into this market. The Sharp Zaurus also provided internet connectivity, and ran Linux. One of my beefs with the Zaurus was that the WWW browsing was severely cluttered, so usability might also be an argument for 770.
I still have a few zauruses (zaurii?). The main problem is that they do not support wpa (I know they can with a different wifi card) or bluetooth (and yes: I have an adapter).
Still: I see the 770 as the only successor to the Zaurus. Sharp tried to bring a linux palmtop to the market, and quickly backed out (I had to import the second one from Japan). Nokia started where they left.
Oh, don't be sarcastic. Many people don't even read them. They just sign a contract without knowing what they sign. I once had a bank trying to pull me into this trick, and I told them to go **** themselves. And, to give another example: whenever I got hired, I first read the contract.
Its a cat and mouse game which, if telcos want to win, means many people will lose. Ie. ban of cryptographic protocols, or only allow specific protocols.
You seem to forget that it is a number game. The telcos don't care about anything as long as it is not conveniently packaged in a preconfigured phone. Then they get nasty.
For the future N900, this means that it will not be designed to be a voip over hsdpa only device. Nokia knows how nasty the telcos can be, telcos are their main customers. Of course, it could be that Nokia decides for a frontal attack, but I seriously doubt that. Still: they went for a frontal attack with music sales, so maybe I will be surprised...
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2008-09-22
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Originally Posted by qole
My feeling is that when mobile providers, currently still thinking of themselves as mobile phone providers (oh woe to you, you fools) are reduced to ISPs, they will be caught in the same situation that current ISPs are caught in; if you try to restrict protocols or bandwidth, people just go to somewhere else that provides better service.
The mobile ISPs won't be able sell these stupid voice / text / data bundles anymore, because they won't be the only provider of the voice / text services anymore. Anyone will be able to download Skype or some generic SIP client for voice, and Pidgin or some other IM client for text.
What will they be left with?
Well, they can still provide the pipes, and compete in that arena. Woe, woe to them, because that arena is bloody and dangerous, and few emerge unscathed. The shakedown will leave the market a different place.
As I pointed out, the mobile network providers already have taken steps to prevent that from happening.
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