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2008-09-29
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The N800's a bit large and heavy for the stands on the keyboards I have (iGo and Palm); they're designed for phones and little PDAs.
I think I'd like one that actually snapped to the tablet (allowing easier free-hand walking use), though that does sacrifice generality (and so drive the price up).
I think I'd like one that actually snapped to the tablet (allowing easier free-hand walking use), though that does sacrifice generality (and so drive the price up).
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2008-09-29
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Hell you're fast ... Others twitch-game, Texrat twitch-posts :-)
I know that such keyboards exist, but apparently the integration with the Nxx0 isn't good enough for many people or they wouldn't insist on a hardware keyboard on the device itself.
The I-love-the-keyboard and the I-hate-the-keyboard enough to post about it crowd seem pretty fifty-fifty to me. Since keeping two devices with this exact distinction on the market simultaneously wasn't feasible I was just looking for a solution to make both camps happy.
Hmm, maybe something that clips on ...
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Oh, and I'm looking forward to HxDPA support, grasshopper or not :-P
I know that such keyboards exist, but apparently the integration with the Nxx0 isn't good enough for many people or they wouldn't insist on a hardware keyboard on the device itself.
The I-love-the-keyboard and the I-hate-the-keyboard enough to post about it crowd seem pretty fifty-fifty to me. Since keeping two devices with this exact distinction on the market simultaneously wasn't feasible I was just looking for a solution to make both camps happy.
Hmm, maybe something that clips on ...
Cheers,
C.
Oh, and I'm looking forward to HxDPA support, grasshopper or not :-P
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2008-09-29
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Originally Posted by fallenguru
It isn't always about "good enough"-- some people just want that integrated keyboard, period. Some don't.
I know that such keyboards exist, but apparently the integration with the Nxx0 isn't good enough for many people or they wouldn't insist on a hardware keyboard on the device itself.
I found my BT keyboard to work well enough, but I'm one of those odd ducks who prefers the virtual keyboard. To each his or her own.
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2008-09-29
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Originally Posted by Texrat
You have a BT keyboard that directly attaches to the NIT? and doubles as a stand?
They already exist (BT). I have one.
Where?
(or do you just mean the way the iGo has that little pup-up stand? I thought he meant something more like a clip-on that actually attaches and makes the NIT more like a tiny laptop, or something)
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2008-09-29
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Originally Posted by ARJWright
Yes to many of these points.
There's probably an easier marketing benefit to hard buttons that would change determined by context than just a flat screen where the haptics in a localized area would be able to move, but that's just something worth playing with over some use cases, and then in real life to see what happens. A case can and should be made to see what happens.
Personally, I'd rather not have a d-pad as it can restrict what a developer might want to do. In the same wise, going with haptics+gestures might not always be optimal as well.
As for what to come next, I'd like to see maemo take a chance with something not done before, hence the post about a folding-haptic/gesture screen design. Something where navigation and input take an approach that is based more on interfacing with the content rather than interfacing with the device to get to the content.
As far as for the hard keys, the problem with the hard keys really is that they restrict and dictate the design. If you have keys A and B on the side of the screen, designs try to take advantage of them. (It would feel silly not to use them!) If you have a d-pad on the side of the screen, designs try to use them. It has a big effect on the UI design, and it can easily be detrimental if designers are not careful and mindful.
Getting rid of HW keys is very hard. The larger the platform gets, the harder it would be to get rid of hard keys, since then there would be so many solutions and applications already that require the hard keys being there. In theory for a device that works on the touch screen, not requiring hard keys, these limitations do not exist.
I'm not at all a fan of mixing HW key and touch screen usage on a UI. HW keys are good if they have their pre-determined, always known roles. For instance the iPhone Home key, the user knows what it will do and it does it very nicely. If it would done "something" in every app of the device, it wouldn't work. Having small screens on keys is a poor substitute, it just makes people stuck on hard keys, i.e. the "non-direct" approach in the UI.
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2008-09-29
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Originally Posted by ragnar
This sentence says it all. Of course that designers should be humble enough and do not expect they know every use case. Fortunately we (users that don't fit designer's mind) have also other choices.
So it would be a better idea for the designers to think that they do _not_ know the use cases?
http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...148#post185148
Perhaps it is normal that big company producing stuff in volume cannot satisfy needs of non-average users. Maybe those 5 steps mean dumb it down in every step ;-) Some things are improving but other stuff goes downhill from 770 and N800 days (hardcover, dpad, zoom keys, stylus oriented UI, non-rotating camera, SD/MMC slots,..).
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2008-09-29
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Originally Posted by ragnar
but surely the idea of "open source" and the aim of having more independent developers come on board with apps would only be helped by the designers having a virtually limitless idea of "use cases"?
So it would be a better idea for the designers to think that they do _not_ know the use cases?
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Originally Posted by ragnar
Texrat beat me to the pc "function keys" answer. But your response is a little fatuous - the single d-pad was obviously seen a s a good idea for the 770 and 800, and double ones are for gamer/multi-use devices of similar size. The regularity of iphone comparisons in some of the answers on this thread are a little worrying in some respects - the iphone in not a nit and the nit is not a phone.
Attempting to create a device that tries to please every use case known now and later will really please nobody. "Oh put a d-pad there... No, put two d-pads there! Put 5 keys on the top! Just in case... Somebody might come up with some use for them.".
Originally Posted by ragnar
this is perhaps the strangest comment of all. if we are truly waiting for a step 4 device to be reliant on technologies that are not yet available then surely that's equivalent to being told "we've lost this particular race to the iphone - we're waiting for the next race to start in a year or so".
I'd also say that real buttons are a poor substitute for the future technologies (not yet available) with proper haptics and visuals.
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2008-09-29
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Originally Posted by johnkzin
It's the Nokia BT keyboard, and has a little pop-up stand. Seemed to me that satisfied what was posted...
You have a BT keyboard that directly attaches to the NIT? and doubles as a stand?
Where?
(or do you just mean the way the iGo has that little pup-up stand? I thought he meant something more like a clip-on that actually attaches and makes the NIT more like a tiny laptop, or something)
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2008-09-29
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Originally Posted by fallenguru
Absolutely not. I bought a stowaway bt keyboard and the integration was surprisingly good. And the 810 version was just a different version for people with different preferences, or who for some reason, are'nt willing to try the separate keyboard.
I know that such keyboards exist, but apparently the integration with the Nxx0 isn't good enough for many people or they wouldn't insist on a hardware keyboard on the device itself.
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