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2008-09-30 , 20:27
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#281
Originally Posted by Peet View Post
For a community rep you can sometimes be quite... uncompromising with your approach to suggestions.
It's part of my charm.

Originally Posted by Peet View Post
In the following part of my message (which you omitted) I pondered whether such a "community poll" (with followup query) could help pinpoint system setups that are more prone to "SSU" failure than others.
I did skim more than I intended, and assumed you intended some sort of poll to "prove" how "broken" the process was. I'm sorry.

I'm not particularly hopeful about people's abilities to diagnose their own symptoms here, and don't think a poll is going to be the most useful of approaches. I'd rather just try to figure it out person-to-person (as I've been doing elsewhere), than shotgun a list a guessed causes and get people to tick boxes.

Originally Posted by Peet View Post
Anyway, thanks for the Maemo Community Chair opinion.
Anytime.

Originally Posted by Peet View Post
(Is that as in a Nokia-paid rep to the community, or community's rep to Maemo/Nokia?)
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2008-09-30 , 20:30
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#282
Spoke too soon... Got the update notification again today and watching traffic here I found that reflashing actually took me backward. Took the chance again and got into the reboot loop again. Only thing I can think may be contributing to this is leaving the mini SD card in place during update?
 
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2008-09-30 , 20:33
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#283
Leaving the mini SD card in should not, in and of itself, interfere with SSU.
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debudebu is offline debudebu
2008-09-30 , 20:38
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#284
Originally Posted by davidsco27 View Post
Nope, mine still randomly silently crashes and I have to reboot the device to open the program and check my mail. I just LOVE that! The main reason I bought this unit is to keep tabs on my e-mail. It worked pre-diablo flawlessly, and now, even after two useless updates later doesn't. Oh yea, I keep forgetting, we're talking about software developers (oops, EXCUSE ME, "engineers") here. Perhaps by Christmas, 2010
this happens with mine too. gmail pop3
 
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2008-09-30 , 20:38
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#285
Help! What have I done? I'm afraid to reboot!

~# apt-get dist-upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Calculating upgrade... Done
The following packages will be REMOVED:
w busybox dnsmasq hildon-application-framework-rx34-rx44 libconbtui0 libicd-network-dun maemo-pan netbase omweather
osso-applet-device osso-bluez-compat osso-connectivity osso-connectivity-ui osso-connectivity-ui-btsettings
osso-connectivity-ui-conndlgs osso-connectivity-ui-connmgr osso-connectivity-ui-gwsettings osso-connectivity-ui-gwwizard
osso-connectivity-ui-iapsettings osso-connectivity-ui-statusbar osso-core osso-core-busybox osso-filemanager ppp
The following NEW packages will be installed:
bash bsdutils coreutils debianutils e2fslibs e2fsprogs grep gzip host libacl1 libattr1 libavahi-core5 libblkid1 libcomerr2
libss2 libuuid1 mktemp mount ncurses-bin sed slang1a-utf8 tar util-linux
The following packages have been kept back:
canola2
The following packages will be upgraded:
avahi-daemon
1 upgraded, 23 newly installed, 24 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
Need to get 6625kB of archives.
After unpacking 10.6MB of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue [Y/n]?
WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
bash bsdutils libattr1 libacl1 coreutils mktemp debianutils e2fslibs libblkid1 libcomerr2 libss2 libuuid1 e2fsprogs grep gzip
mount ncurses-bin sed tar slang1a-utf8 util-linux libavahi-core5 host avahi-daemon
Install these packages without verification [y/N]? y
Get:1 http://debfarm.free.fr chinook/user e2fslibs 1.40.3-1 [113kB]
Get:2 http://repository.maemo.org diablo/sdk/free bash 2.05b-26osso4 [637kB]
Get:3 http://debfarm.free.fr chinook/user libblkid1 1.40.3-1 [46.3kB]
Get:4 http://repository.maemo.org diablo/sdk/free bsdutils 1:2.12p-4sarge1.osso4 [66.5kB]
Get:5 http://repository.maemo.org diablo/free libattr1 1:2.4.43-1 [10.3kB]
Get:6 http://debfarm.free.fr chinook/user libss2 1.40.3-1 [38.2kB]
Get:7 http://repository.maemo.org diablo/free libacl1 2.2.47-2 [16.8kB]
Get:8 http://repository.maemo.org diablo/sdk/free coreutils 5.2.1-2osso2 [2710kB]
Get:9 http://debfarm.free.fr chinook/user libuuid1 1.40.3-1 [39.0kB]
Get:10 http://debfarm.free.fr chinook/user e2fsprogs 1.40.3-1 [580kB]
Get:11 http://repository.maemo.org diablo/sdk/free mktemp 1.5-2 [10.3kB]
Get:12 http://repository.maemo.org diablo/sdk/free debianutils 2.17 [50.3kB]
Get:13 http://repository.maemo.org diablo/free libcomerr2 1.37-2sarge1 [26.5kB]
Get:14 http://repository.maemo.org diablo/sdk/free grep 2.5.1.ds1-4 [174kB]
Get:15 http://repository.maemo.org diablo/sdk/free gzip 1.3.5-10sarge1 [79.0kB]
Get:16 http://repository.maemo.org diablo/free mount 2.12p-4sarge1.maemo1 [135kB]
Get:17 http://repository.maemo.org diablo/free ncurses-bin 5.4-3.osso1 [199kB]
Get:18 http://repository.maemo.org diablo/sdk/free sed 4.1.2-8 [203kB]
Get:19 http://repository.maemo.org diablo/sdk/free tar 1.14-2.1osso [508kB]
Get:20 http://repository.maemo.org diablo/sdk/free slang1a-utf8 1.4.9dbs-8 [299kB]
Get:21 http://repository.maemo.org diablo/sdk/free util-linux 2.12p-4sarge1.osso4 [413kB]
Get:22 http://repository.maemo.org diablo/free libavahi-core5 0.6.23-2maemo3 [109kB]
Get:23 http://repository.maemo.org diablo/free host 20000331-9 [75.0kB]
Get:24 http://repository.maemo.org diablo/free avahi-daemon 0.6.23-2maemo3 [86.6kB]
Fetched 6625kB in 40s (162kB/s)
(Reading database ... 27674 files and directories currently installed.)
Removing osso-connectivity ...
Removing libicd-network-dun ...
Removing osso-connectivity-ui ...
Removing osso-connectivity-ui-statusbar ...
Removing osso-connectivity-ui-btsettings ...
Removing osso-connectivity-ui-connmgr ...
Removing osso-connectivity-ui-iapsettings ...
Removing osso-connectivity-ui-gwsettings ...
Removing osso-connectivity-ui-conndlgs ...
Removing osso-connectivity-ui-gwwizard ...
Removing libconbtui0 ...
Removing osso-filemanager ...
Removing hildon-application-framework-rx34-rx44 ...
Removing osso-applet-device ...
Removing osso-bluez-compat ...
Removing maemo-pan ...
Removing bluez-utils ...
Stopping bluez-utils: hcid.
Removing osso-core ...
Removing osso-core-busybox ...
Removing omweather ...
Removing ppp ...
Stopping all PPP connections...done.
Removing dnsmasq ...
Stopping DNS forwarder and DHCP server: dnsmasq.
Removing netbase ...
dpkg: busybox: dependency problems, but removing anyway as you request:
sysvinit depends on busybox | coreutils; however:
Package busybox is to be removed.
Package coreutils is not installed.
Package busybox which provides coreutils is to be removed.
osso-core-config depends on busybox | coreutils; however:
Package busybox is to be removed.
Package coreutils is not installed.
Package busybox which provides coreutils is to be removed.
lsb-base depends on sed; however:
Package sed is not installed.
Package busybox which provides sed is to be removed.
sysvinit depends on busybox | coreutils; however:
Package busybox is to be removed.
Package coreutils is not installed.
Package busybox which provides coreutils is to be removed.
osso-core-config depends on busybox | coreutils; however:
Package busybox is to be removed.
Package coreutils is not installed.
Package busybox which provides coreutils is to be removed.
Removing busybox ...
dpkg-deb (subprocess): failed to exec tar: No such file or directory
dpkg-deb: subprocess tar returned error exit status 2
dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/bash_2.05b-26osso4_armel.deb (--unpack):
subprocess dpkg-deb --control returned error exit status 2
Errors were encountered while processing:
/var/cache/apt/archives/bash_2.05b-26osso4_armel.deb
E: Problem executing scripts DPkg::Post-Invoke 'if [ -x /usr/sbin/docpurge ]; then /usr/sbin/docpurge; else exit 0; fi'
E: Sub-process returned an error code
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
Virtually nothing is working now! I have one active SSH session that is kind of working.......

Is there a way to install what was removed using apt-get and the debs I have left in /var/cache/apt/archives ?
 
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2008-09-30 , 20:38
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#286
went online for the first time in a week or so, update icon showed up quickly, update went totally smoothly, no probs!

browser does seem a bit quicker

all good!
 
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2008-09-30 , 20:49
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#287
Originally Posted by briand View Post
Y'know... I read through some 200-odd messages here yesterday, mostly preaching doom and gloom regarding this update... I was almost trepidatious when I arrived within my WiFi zone last night...

...

No rebooting loops, no removing batteries, no reflashing the tablet, and no real issues... reading here, one might think that I was the exception to the norm -- but I'm willing to bet I'm just being more vocal about my experience than the rest of the 'silent majority'.
So that (and GA and several other "power-users" reporting no big issues) kind of blows away the theory that it is only power-users have this reboot-loop issue.

So let's try to find the common thread that is definitely causing some issues with many people that are not using their tablets in exotic ways.

The only things that I had on my tablet that could possibly be considered non-standard are:
1) rtcomm beta
2) chinook base and extras repos in order to install some old apps that hadn't been moved over.

Are either of these two commonalities anong other people having issues that don't fit into the "5 stages of self-doomed hackerdom" as outlined by Jaffa?

PS ... just to add that it is an N810 that I have that I had SSU issues with.
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2008-09-30 , 20:59
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#288
rtcomm was installed here, but i removed it partially to make sure i had enough free space (libpurple wanted pidgin-data, and takes up about 20MB).

chinook base and extras disabled here...
 
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2008-09-30 , 21:04
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#289
Received the update message about an hour ago. Had to clear some space for it otherwise nothing unusual. AFAIK I don't have rtomm beta but may have chinook base and extra repos, tho I don't think I have Chinook installed. I'm getting the "won't shut down - pulled battery - start loop". I've got 2X 4Gb SDHC cards anyone ideas as to what else could be common?
 
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2008-09-30 , 21:04
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#290
Originally Posted by mwiktowy View Post
Are either of these two commonalities anong other people having issues that don't fit into the "5 stages of self-doomed hackerdom" as outlined by Jaffa?
...which, of course, was supposed to be an example list; not definitive (if I knew, I could fix the problems ;-))

rtcomm-beta's an interesting idea. qole had that installed at the summit, might prove to be a data point.
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