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Originally Posted by benny1967
I think when you hear Internet access - you only think Browser, search, email, a little bit of chat which the phone caters to in some way (not too efficient still).
difficult challenge for the marketing droids when i can do this much easier and cheaper with my cell phone. a device must offer a lot more to make me pay ~€400.
But Internet access can mean more ..
a) Photo updates to online sites (Flickr)
b) VoIP - Skype / Gizmo (with video support too), GTalk
c) Blog tool
d) Podcasting
e) Chumby agent (Grumby)
etc , most of which are not present on the cell phone or are very limited on the cell.
And this is just the tip of the iceberg - with some imagination and hardware and software support - there is more possible with the IT with internet access than just the regular stuff you get off the cell phone.
Nokia's marketing is spot-on - and when they said Internet access - I am sure they didn't mean just the browser and email either.
And anyways, the interpretation of "Internet access" has got nothing to do with UI decisions anyways. Its just a gateway to a vast array of information and data and how to process it while online. So Internet access can exist on the cell phone as well as the tablets and the desktops and in each device they mean and function in different ways - and this is primarily because of the form-function of each device.
The way I look at it - on the tablet the apps should compliment the form-factor and function of the tablet design itself.
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2008-11-02
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Copying you call it, Benny. My goodness. I hope you don't any IBM clones. They're such lame copies of the Real Thing. I told you a million times what we do now is based on history, and we learn from what other people do right or wrong. If you call that copying, I guess we're all copycats.
Ferrari is actually copied, and constantly has to innovate in order to stay ahead. Unless there are patents. In the case of open source software its easy to copy. The main issue of lack is usability research (and Nokia had job possitions open for usability experts; they are aware).
This was announced around the time of the Maemo summit. Speaking of which the 'N900' will include a HS*PA chipset and will be more finger-based. You can find that information on the Maemo summit summaries. Nokia also has a 5-step plan for the NIT, they're now on step 4, and now wants to more cater to the masses.
I can guarantee you that non-user friendly, half-baked ports of Linux desktop utilities are less attractive than user friendly ports specific for a finger based touchscreen.
Yes, I see your point about RSS applet, but you are a power user. You have the power to install your stylus-based .deb. The normal user using the NIT just wants the thing to easily work out of the box.
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Indeed, when I think Internet access, I think using RSS to check out some podcasts instead of checking the 30 or so FM frequencies on the radio.
Ferrari is actually copied, and constantly has to innovate in order to stay ahead. Unless there are patents. In the case of open source software its easy to copy. The main issue of lack is usability research (and Nokia had job possitions open for usability experts; they are aware).
This was announced around the time of the Maemo summit. Speaking of which the 'N900' will include a HS*PA chipset and will be more finger-based. You can find that information on the Maemo summit summaries. Nokia also has a 5-step plan for the NIT, they're now on step 4, and now wants to more cater to the masses.
I can guarantee you that non-user friendly, half-baked ports of Linux desktop utilities are less attractive than user friendly ports specific for a finger based touchscreen.
Yes, I see your point about RSS applet, but you are a power user. You have the power to install your stylus-based .deb. The normal user using the NIT just wants the thing to easily work out of the box.
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Originally Posted by SD69
Also possible is a touch-based settings menu, but quicker accessible than the current menu. Could be a hardware button on the device. From there, important settings like this one can be easily managed.
Look at 7710 - switch view key, pp. 12-13
http://nds1.nokia.com/phones/files/g...7710_UG_en.pdf
Indeed, when I think Internet access, I think using RSS to check out some podcasts instead of checking the 30 or so FM frequencies on the radio.
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2008-11-02
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Originally Posted by lcuk
The 7710 ran Symbian OS, which is -- and I'm being civil here -- slightly more mature in the touchscreen UI department than Linux, even if Series 90 was a bit of a mess.
I like the idea of the desk key as well
That could be the gateway drug to a more touch friendly UI
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2008-11-02
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Originally Posted by tso
Don't waste time judging the person or the reckessness of driving while using the IT - they are quite a few posts explaining why and usage scenarios where it is appropriate.
using the web while driving a car?! is it just me or is that close to criminal carelessness?
the only use of the device while in car, if the user is the driver, is as a gps. at least, thats my opinion.
I only highlighted a usage case to explain the UI difficulaties - its got nothing to do with what I am actually running on the IT while driving - the stylus UI problem I mentioned is actually applicable to the GPS also.
And it is applicable whether you are driving or walking down the road, or using it while riding the subway train standing in a cramped car.
So be constructive and judge the UI issue instead of the driver judgement issue.
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2008-11-02
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Originally Posted by nilchak
I have a) and b) installed on my phone. c) and d) is available, but not interesting for me ATM, so I don't have it installed. (Chumby - what was that again?)
I think when you hear Internet access - you only think Browser, search, email, a little bit of chat which the phone caters to in some way (not too efficient still).
But Internet access can mean more ..
a) Photo updates to online sites (Flickr)
b) VoIP - Skype / Gizmo (with video support too), GTalk
c) Blog tool
d) Podcasting
e) Chumby agent (Grumby)
etc , most of which are not present on the cell phone or are very limited on the cell.
Your're right, though, that some of these apps are more limited on the cell phone than I find acceptable for everyday use. They're only meant for the casual use while on the go.
But that's the whole point I'm trying to make: I'm afraid that by further "simplifying" the Maemo UI, applications on the tablet will be as limited as their cell phone counterparts - functionality stripped for mass market appeal and a simple user interface. It's not what you can do, it's how you can do it. Simple interfaces that reduce functionality are acceptable on the cell phone, not on a ~€400 "secondary device" that's really a very small netbook.
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2008-11-03
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Originally Posted by allnameswereout
Okay, now I know you're joking. Are you the one nokia consulted about where to put the dpad on the n810?
Also possible is a touch-based settings menu, but quicker accessible than the current menu. Could be a hardware button on the device.
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2008-11-03
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please let the future be simple and intuitive.
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Originally Posted by allnameswereout
Well, with a 4" screen, there are so often times when compromises have to be made in the display that it is a big advantage to have one always available key to toggle between views. That's the UI concept. Putting it into a menu, you have access issues that peope are sensitive to.
Also possible is a touch-based settings menu, but quicker accessible than the current menu. Could be a hardware button on the device. From there, important settings like this one can be easily managed.
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2008-11-03
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Originally Posted by benny1967
I appreciate your concern - even I wouldn't want functionality to be reduced and become something stripped down to a cell app variant in any way - with only a bigger screen to show for it.
But that's the whole point I'm trying to make: I'm afraid that by further "simplifying" the Maemo UI, applications on the tablet will be as limited as their cell phone counterparts - functionality stripped for mass market appeal and a simple user interface. It's not what you can do, it's how you can do it. Simple interfaces that reduce functionality are acceptable on the cell phone, not on a ~€400 "secondary device" that's really a very small netbook.
But I think you are mixing 2 things here - UI design and functionality.
Making the UI simpler doesn't mean function will become simpler and reduced. The UI is a design element of usage - while function is what the application can do. UI is how you do it (on the screen).
So I don't see the two to mean the same thing. At least I am also like you - not wanting the function of the applications or platform becoming simpler and reduced - but I do want the UI becoming simpler - to make it easier to use on the tablet form factor - as a mobility factor.
That could be the gateway drug to a more touch friendly UI
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