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2008-12-11 , 05:54
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#141
Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles View Post
Can you try to argue your points without making it personal? It really doesn't help your case.
The remark seems to have made the case I intended.

But, regarding the speculation, I'm sure you know how to work google and have your own trusted IT news sources so I'll leave you to that. But, you might want to check into the new LG handset chip for LTE that was recently announced and the Verizon announcement from Dec 9 stating it plans to begin deploying LTE in 2009. Specifically, look into discussions by people who I'd say would have a better knowledgea about this than you or I. Namely, the executive vice president and CTO of Verizon Communications stated, "We expect that LTE will actually be in service somewhere here in the U.S. probably this time next year."

I agree that people might not appreciate not being able to utilize all of the devices capablities right away, but this happens all the time. For many phones GPS or other features are turned off until a new ROM is produced. I understand your point, but on the other hand software such as email is a little different than a hardware feature.

By the way. I was right... I was making a joke because I knew you would disagree.
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2008-12-11 , 06:01
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#142
Well, WiMAX vs. LTE is not completely settled yet, and with the HSPA+ upgrade path, I just don't see LTE being a more broadly compatible choice than HSPA anytime soon. Moreover, it's my understanding that dual-mode LTE/UMTS solutions aren't readily available any time soon, so an LTE device would probably be a long time in even catching up to the N810W in terms of possible geographic coverage.

Anyway, no matter which decision would be best, Nokia's made it quite plain that the decision has been made already, and that HSPA won.
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2008-12-11 , 06:09
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#143
Originally Posted by neatojones View Post
But, regarding the speculation, I'm sure you know how to work google and have your own trusted IT news sources so I'll leave you to that.
Either you have something to back up your claim of Q4 2009 or you don't. My trusted sources would indicate a release date much earlier than that. So it seems we're at an impasse.

Originally Posted by neatojones View Post
By the way. I was right... I was making a joke because I knew you would disagree.
In that case, you meant to use one of these: and not

All you proved is that I disagree with you, which stands to reason when you make rather extreme claims about release dates and put forth somewhat specious arguments as to why your way is better than Nokia's way.
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2008-12-11 , 06:17
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#144
Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles View Post
Either you have something to back up your claim of Q4 2009 or you don't.
It occured to me that you missunderstood me. I was stating that LTE is supposed to go online in Q4, not the N900.

The LTE discussion was all over the IT headlines a few days ago. It's not a lack of a source, it's simply a matter of the fact that I'd assume you already have a trusted source for your news.

Here is number one in my google search about LTE and Verizon: http://www.networkworld.com/news/200...c=netflash-rss

I don't really feel the need to prove anything to you. It IS my opinion that LTE would be the best choice in the long run. I don't think nor would I expect Nokia to always agree with me. As an aside, I also see it as a reasonable option that they could release a version with LTE support later on similar to the release of the Wimax edition when the LTE becomes more established. Also, I expect the N900 to be delayed, the reasons for which I won't discuss right now.
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2008-12-11 , 06:24
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#145
Originally Posted by neatojones View Post
It occured to me that you missunderstood me. I was stating that LTE is supposed to go online in Q4, not the N900.
That would explain it. Apologies for the misunderstanding. In that case, I wouldn't worry overly much about a 6-month-later tablet release.
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2008-12-11 , 06:34
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#146
Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles View Post
That would explain it. Apologies for the misunderstanding. In that case, I wouldn't worry overly much about a 6-month-later tablet release.
Sorry. It's my fault since I wasn't clear. I suckered you in on the defensive by my mischievous remark and confusing wording.
 
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2008-12-11 , 09:59
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Yes, definitely. In fact I'd love pointers to where I should start looking for fixing the above bug, but the only reference to a specific package (hildon-input-method-plugins) is to something that doesn't even exist in binary form yet, including Fremantle.
Point taken, well for the community supported version it will either need to be available in source form (or as a Nokia provided binary) and if the latter and it's still broken it will be on the list to be replaced.
 
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#148
Originally Posted by neatojones View Post
As an aside, I also see it as a reasonable option that [Nokia] could release a version with LTE support later on similar to the release of the Wimax edition when the LTE becomes more established. Also, I expect the N900 to be delayed, the reasons for which I won't discuss right now.
Nokia has invested in LTE technology on the network side, sooo... do the "math".
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2008-12-11 , 14:08
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Before LTE we get HSPA+ (Evolved HSPA).
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2008-12-11 , 14:29
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Originally Posted by Benson View Post
Clearly, though, the problem is an abuse of terminology, rather than intent to deliver a genuine webcam defeated by bugs or incompleteness.
I think you are trying (hard) to twist the argument to suit your initial point here. Lets be objective and accept deficiencies where there are - even from the marketing speak point of view.

The way you write that last paragraph about webcam and etymology and word definitions and all that - its befitting a Washington polictical spin-master indeed - so high-brow and twisted I couldn't understand the intent ofthe statement itself

Kudos!
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