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2009-01-12 , 15:26
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Originally Posted by SD69 View Post
I, for one, don't mind changes, and there are plenty of changes that are encouraged. To characterize the arguments as being against changes to anything is unfair. And to say that everything not fitting our view is "shot down" is backwards. It is Nokia that decides, not us.

But when a Nokia UI designer calls Apple the best touch UI out there and signals an intention to go to an all-touch UI, then we have something some of us know we don't like (and so we say so).
If the Nokia designer refers to me, I'd like to say that the Apple UI has many great features in it. Also the Palm Pre has good features, as does the Google Android design... Even the S60 Touch UI has some nice features. A whole host of devices. I can find good things from nearly any device/design, digging hard enough.

Harri Kiljander spoke in the Maemo Summit 2008 about the future direction for the UI, and spoke about the UI's going towards touch, and finger touch. Don't shoot the messenger. As with any changes there are people that don't like them. It's good, it's cool to raise those concerns. I love discussing them.

From my personal perspective the current UI's on the N810 are nowhere near on the level of being "good enough" that I would be scared of changing them, even drastically if necessary. If the current devices would have sold millions and millions and their UI's would have been praised universally, then there would be much more hesistance towards change, I'm sure of that. Popularity is a practical measure for success.

Then again, to me it's... odd that to say that you can know that you won't like the changes before even seeing them. There can be great touch UI's and poor touch UI's, just as there are great and poor non-touch UI's.

If somebody feels that no touch UI can be great, then I guess we can agree to disagree and leave it at that. If somebody feels that you can do both at the same time on the same device, get the best of both worlds, based on my experience I say that it isn't so... But that's a great topic for discussion, it's not a given or an absolute fact.
 

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Originally Posted by frank.wagner View Post
Instead, the i.MX515 is targeted at netbooks that run on Linux systems, have an approximately 8 hour battery life, and feature 8.9 inch displays. The processor requires less power to run and doesn't need a heat sink or fan to cool as it is designed from a core used in communication devices like cell phones, Burchers said. The i.MX515 processor is based on the Cortex-A8 core from Arm, which can scale in performance up to 1GHz. It supports 3D graphics and can playback high-definition video.
@frank.wagner: That's the same CPU core the OMAP3 will have. Looks impressive doesn't it?

@daperl: Some laptops have HSPA modems too these days: That doesn't make them phones.
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2009-01-12 , 15:29
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Originally Posted by Texrat View Post
Don't get too hung up on the use of "d-pad" in many of the comments-- that's the term used by and large because it's the current interface. The essential request here is continuation of auxiliary hardware input, and that could certainly be a trackball (I like them too) or even the often-requested scrolling slider. Or any number of variations.
And those will be supported, if they are in the devices. So everything is cool.
 

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2009-01-12 , 15:32
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Originally Posted by Texrat View Post
Thanks for the consideration though, ragnar.

So how about this: is there any way that some future use-case studies could be separated from Nokia proprietary info and be conducted as a collaboration between Nokia and this community? If the focus was on existing hardware/software (for benchmarking) then that should be possible...
... I think there is potential in that idea (qgil note this also).

It's a really interesting idea, actually. I at least would be very interested in seeing what it would bring up, although there are many practical questions there to be solved. We are already doing things like lead user workshops.

Sounds almost like a topic for another thread, have to think about this.
 

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Originally Posted by ragnar View Post
And those will be supported, if they are in the devices. So everything is cool.
Then maybe the bulk of this debate has been over semantics.
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Originally Posted by Texrat View Post
Then maybe the bulk of this debate has been over semantics.
It does seem that way!

Maybe we could get Buglabs together with Nokia to have a modular device. That way you could pick and choose / plug 'n play the iinput that you prefer.
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Originally Posted by Snoshrk View Post
Maybe we could get Buglabs together with Nokia to have a modular device. That way you could pick and choose / plug 'n play the iinput that you prefer.
The Lego approach-- I love it!
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Originally Posted by ragnar View Post
... I think there is potential in that idea (qgil note this also).

It's a really interesting idea, actually. I at least would be very interested in seeing what it would bring up, although there are many practical questions there to be solved. We are already doing things like lead user workshops.

Sounds almost like a topic for another thread, have to think about this.
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#289
Originally Posted by ragnar View Post
Popularity is a practical measure for success.
Only if your aim was to be popular.

If you aimed for quality, popularity is no measure at all. (Not that popularity is an indication of low quality - it simply doesn't tell anything about it.)
 

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Originally Posted by ragnar View Post
And those will be supported, if they are in the devices. So everything is cool.
Alas, some of us don't know what is in any upcoming devices, and may be overestimating the role the UI team has in ordaining hardware features, and/or the extent to which your opinions as posted here match said team's official work. (This is not meant as a request for info about any internal conflicts that may or may not be present -- just an acknowledgement that there are uncertainties here, and that many of us are arguing as though they're stacked against our position.)

From Texrat's take, (since he's "on our side", and has insider knowledge of at least the next tablet), I infer what I'd strongly suspected all along: the next tablet, at least, will still have a dpad. So I guess we can resume our pleasant flamewar after the RX-51 is out, when next our discussion turns to hardware speculation.
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