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Originally Posted by YoDude
And I rarely get into bed without it.
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Originally Posted by YoDude
I haven't touched my N800 since I bought my N810, a year and 3 months ago.
I now seldom leave the house without my N800.
I haven't touched my N810 since I bought my G1, in September.
And, I'm a hard core unix geek. Have been for 22 years. I refused to even take a mac seriously until it had a unix core (and, because I was a NeXT geek back in the day, mac is what I primarily use now). So, the idea that the N810 has a fully accessible *nix layer, and Android does not, seemed like it might bug me at first. But it hasn't. Not even a little.
What kind of "useful" support does Archos provide for its other devices?
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Yes, an Android device... but an *Archos* Android device. I would be shocked if they didn't lock it down just as tight as all of their other *Linux* based devices...
Remember, Archos released the 'full source code' to the 604 series, but there was no way to install it on the device, as they had an encrypted bootloader that would refuse to load unsigned packages. And wow, they conveniently forgot to release a tool to sign packages that others created.
There were also a number of proprietary drivers that were not included, so basically the release of the code was a complete and total sham.
Remember, Archos released the 'full source code' to the 604 series, but there was no way to install it on the device, as they had an encrypted bootloader that would refuse to load unsigned packages. And wow, they conveniently forgot to release a tool to sign packages that others created.
There were also a number of proprietary drivers that were not included, so basically the release of the code was a complete and total sham.
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Originally Posted by geneven
What I found interesting in today's announcement is that the Kindle2 has discarded WiFi and all connections to the net use the 3G network.
Now, if someone came out with 500 gb of free storage provided by a free net connection analogous to what the Kindle provides, plus of course free Internet connectivity, that would be nice. One thing people appreciate about the Kindle is the no-brainer aspect of getting a book. You don't have to find a provider, just start downloading.
I think that no-brainer wireless Internet access included in the price of the device would be an interesting way to go.
You want to surf the net, you use 3G. Like it was a cellphone.
Except there's no charge -- no data fee, no monthly or annual access fee, nada, zero, zip.
Makes the $359 seem a lot less, if for instance it enables you to drop an unlimited monthly data plan from your cellphone provider.
Roger
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Originally Posted by geneven
In case you haven't seen it anywhere, the voices are Tom and Samantha.
By the way, I noted with interest that the new Kindle has text to speech provided by Nuance, the clear speech-to-text leader. It tempts me to buy one, just for the good voices Nuance has.
And for the present you cannot install any additional (or replacement) voices.
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depends... how featureful is the browser on the kindle?
Do I get a full Google Reader, Google Docs, and Gmail experience? SSH and VNC?
Others will probably want flash support for youtube and such.
Or is the kindle's web browser very limited and featureless, so that you can basically just download amazon books? In which case... would you really end up using that 3G connection for very much?
Do I get a full Google Reader, Google Docs, and Gmail experience? SSH and VNC?
Others will probably want flash support for youtube and such.
Or is the kindle's web browser very limited and featureless, so that you can basically just download amazon books? In which case... would you really end up using that 3G connection for very much?
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Originally Posted by RogerS
Nothing like surfing the web in 16 glorious shades of gray!
What I found interesting in today's announcement is that the Kindle2 has discarded WiFi and all connections to the net use the 3G network.
You want to surf the net, you use 3G. Like it was a cellphone.
Except there's no charge -- no data fee, no monthly or annual access fee, nada, zero, zip.
Makes the $359 seem a lot less, if for instance it enables you to drop an unlimited monthly data plan from your cellphone provider.
Roger
EDIT: I actually see nothing about surfing the web, only using the Whispernet to buy stuff from Amazon. So they just pad their prices and eat the cost of bandwidth. Think of the 3G cost as "delivery charges". Other than copyright costs and maybe some formatting, that's pretty much the entire cost of the e-book, after all.
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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles
I'd like to see those numbers just out of curiousity (I'm not disagreeing with you or anything). I'd imagine that these stats are probably really going to be true for processor intensive users, but with my understanding of ARM processors, it seems a bit counterintuitive. From the sounds of this, it would seem that the 3440 was only an overclocked 3430, with no other different components?
Nah, the OMAP3440 is 800MHz, while the OMAP3430 is 600MHz (I just redid the OMAP wiki page, which has some details). Basically, this thing is going to be a power hog like no other. The consumption jump between the OMAP3430 and the OMAP3440 is . . . non-trivial (I had some numbers at some point, but I can't seem to dredge the up).
Edit: I guess, that considering the current state of using software that is *mostly unoptimized for ARM, the time to downclocking might be more of a factor and could make the issue with battery drain a bit of a problem.
Also, I don't remember who was commenting on it but: I wouldn't be particularly concerned about using either the next NIT or the next Archos with "HD" since that would be primarily handled by a seperate processor, and if properly implemented with software and drivers this wouldn't bog down the main processor.
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Originally Posted by neatojones
I've been looking, still can't seem to locate them. I'm pretty sure they were on ti.com, though, if you want to poke around.
I'd like to see those numbers just out of curiousity (I'm not disagreeing with you or anything).
Originally Posted by neatojones
Basically, yes, I believe it's just an overclocked OMAP3430 (Speed-sorted batches of OMAP3430s that can handle 800MHz without cooking themselves mostly likely). Problem is, the core voltage was jacked way up (I want to say 1.2v vs 1.6v).
I'd imagine that these stats are probably really going to be true for processor intensive users, but with my understanding of ARM processors, it seems a bit counterintuitive. From the sounds of this, it would seem that the 3440 was only an overclocked 3430, with no other different components?
Originally Posted by neatojones
With ARM, a faster core means a shorter time to idle, means lower overall power consumption (Race to Idle), but I think the increased power requirements would offset this. Would there be a difference, though, at 1% CPU with both devices in the same op-mode? I don't know, but in practical active usage, I believe the OMAP3430 will come out on top.
Edit: I guess, that considering the current state of using software that is *mostly unoptimized for ARM, the time to downclocking might be more of a factor and could make the issue with battery drain a bit of a problem.
Originally Posted by neatojones
By "HD" do we mean video? In the case of the RX-51, decoding is going to be handled DSP-side (430MHz C64x+). I dunno about the Archos, but the Beagle has been doing 720p with NEON-only optimizations (ARM-side) since forever.
Also, I don't remember who was commenting on it but: I wouldn't be particularly concerned about using either the next NIT or the next Archos with "HD" since that would be primarily handled by a seperate processor, and if properly implemented with software and drivers this wouldn't bog down the main processor.
Bigger than the SoC power consumption-wise, though, are the screen (5" is a lot more backlight to drive) and hard drive.
For Nokia, I think it's likely a combination of availability (the OMAP3440 is a much more recent beast than the OMAP3430), cost, and battery life.
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Originally Posted by johnkzin
im guessing you got a SSH client going, and can therefor log onto anything more powerful.
I haven't touched my N800 since I bought my N810, a year and 3 months ago.
I haven't touched my N810 since I bought my G1, in September.
And, I'm a hard core unix geek. Have been for 22 years. I refused to even take a mac seriously until it had a unix core (and, because I was a NeXT geek back in the day, mac is what I primarily use now). So, the idea that the N810 has a fully accessible *nix layer, and Android does not, seemed like it might bug me at first. But it hasn't. Not even a little.
i guess it really depends on how one view things. for some the N8x0 is a unix computer in their pocket. for others, its a portable terminal for their computer back home or in the server room at work.