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	tso	2009-04-15 , 12:36
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i keep having a "they want to do WHAT, when WHAT?!" moments when i read some of the use cases pro/con some interface...

its like people is living their lives on the nose of a rocket at speed, as they seem to be doing just about anything while moving about.

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	benny1967	2009-04-15 , 12:38
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Originally Posted by YoDude

Ah!, you must be under the age of 40.

*sigh*
I know... It's my athletic body and firm skin that makes people think that. A curse, I tell you. A curse.

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	benny1967	2009-04-15 , 12:54
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Originally Posted by ragnar

Mobile devices need mobile UI's, taking use of the strong suits of the device, instead of trying to emulate the strong suits of the desktop environment. You need to create dogs (or choose the useful pet of your personal preference), not smaller horses.

Again, I can't disagree. You're not as challenging as you used to be.

Mobile devices need mobile UIs, right. A 4.1 inch touch screen on a 226g device isn't a good mobile UI. If you're looking for a good mobile UI, I recommend the 6110 Navigator. Having the choice of various "connected" gadgets (and the ones with the capacitive touch screen we talked about earlier were on the list once), I chose this one for mobile use. Because it does not rely on a touchscreen but is fully operable with its hardware keys. Because its 125g are still too much, but not way to much. Because it fits my pockets. Most important, though:

Originally Posted by tso

i keep having a "they want to do WHAT, when WHAT?!" moments when i read some of the use cases pro/con some interface...

its like people is living their lives on the nose of a rocket at speed, as they seem to be doing just about anything while moving about.

Because it lets me do exactly these things tso talks about... things that everybody would expect to be absolutely non-mobile use cases but can be done while walking with the S60 UI. I need to look at the device only 30% of the time and can focus on aggressive lamp posts and these wonderful things you see now it's getting warmer and people... well. A touch screen can never deliver this mobile experience. It needs my undevided visual attention.
So, if you want the dog instead of the small horse, leave the horse big as it is (read: go back to OS2006) and make a non-touchscreen variant for mobile use.

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kanishou	2009-04-15 , 13:55
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Originally Posted by benny1967

So, if you want the dog instead of the small horse, leave the horse big as it is (read: go back to OS2006) and make a non-touchscreen variant for mobile use.

I want a dragon.

OS2006 was a pony at best, you just can't compare it to a real "horse". Fremantle is a completely different beast. And it spits fire.

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sjgadsby	2009-04-15 , 14:01
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Originally Posted by kanishou

Fremantle is a completely different beast. And it spits fire.

I'm familiar with the concept, but I worry it will make the devices less pocketable.

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TA-t3	2009-04-15 , 14:07
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My N800 w/OS2007 lets me leave my laptop back at the office. If the UI is dumbed down to a level where my NIT can't do the "desktop" things that I do _now_, then I'll be very annoyed indeed. God I hate that "let's" make an UI with big friendly 5 choices" attitude that I sometimes sense here.

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	TenSpeed	2009-04-15 , 14:12
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Any chance a few of us are mistaking the simplicity of an interface for the simplicity of the underlying application(s)? These are worlds apart, if done correctly.

Btw, did anyone following this thread see "Kate Alhola's Maemo Presentation"?

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lemmyslender	2009-04-15 , 15:42
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Originally Posted by TA-t3

My N800 w/OS2007 lets me leave my laptop back at the office. If the UI is dumbed down to a level where my NIT can't do the "desktop" things that I do _now_, then I'll be very annoyed indeed. .

This is what I'm afraid of the move from a "portable" device to a "mobile" device.

A nice finger friendly "mobile" UI is great on my phone which I can quickly use as an mp3 player, respond to a text message or two, read an email (not respond unless a short response is required), quickly browse the web.

What I bought my N800 for was use as an "portable" actually perhaps more accurately "ultra-portable" (when compared to netbooks) device/usage. I can use it to check/respond to emails that require longer responses, watch movies on the larger screen, review maintain spreadsheets/documents, sort through hundreds of photos / files on easily changeable sd cards, and much much more.

I already have a "mobile" device (phone) and a "portable" device (laptop). I was hoping for another toy to fill the gap between the two such as the current tablets.

It would be a very difficult decision to spend more money on a "mobile" device with only slight advantages despite the astronomically better hardware (from my humble point of view).

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	daperl	2009-04-15 , 16:03
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Originally Posted by lemmyslender

It would be a very difficult decision to spend more money on a "mobile" device with only slight advantages despite the astronomically better hardware (from my humble point of view).

I've submitted your definition of "frustration" to Websters. Good work.

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TheTree	2009-04-15 , 16:03
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Originally Posted by daperl

Are you only talking about capacitive touch screens? If so, than I agree with you and don't bother reading further. But if you are also talking about resistive touch screens, I couldn't disagree more.

I'm not sure if you were referring to me, but I'm the crazy person who suggested putting a touch pad on the back of a tablet that had a capacitive touch screen. I wouldn't suggest that for a tablet with a resistive touch screen, as I also would never use gnumeric the way you suggest on a tablet with a resistive touch screen. Why would I? I have a stylus and a resistive touch screen. I can pick up the tip and go precisely to a location.

Yes, I was referring to you. And I agree that this would work best with a capacitive screen and not a resistive one.

Originally Posted by daperl

Relative cursor movement produced by a mouse or a touch pad is only necessary when your display dimensions are much larger than your tracking area.

In this I disagree with you. In most cases, yes, relative movement is unnecessary, especially if a stylus is available. However, if Nokia drops the support for a stylus, then relative cursor movement can provide much greater accuracy than a finger can, making it much easier to use apps like Gnumeric or Abiword.