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2009-04-16
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Originally Posted by Jaffa
It was in this thread, dozens of posts above.
Quim also pointed out somewhere (which I can't be bothered to find) that one or two of the Fremantle Stars (i.e. liqbase) work best with a stylus.
About "the silence of Nokia", the guys that you will find here including myself simply don't talk about hardware. Even less about non announced devices. Not even the color of the battery.
Said that, we have talked about Fremantle, and a lot. The fact that Kate's slides cause so many surprises makes me wonder how many people engaged in this thread is aware about the roadmap, announcements and documentation published weeks/months ago.
And then it is also about asking questions in the right places. Here you have ragnar and myself following and answering in a thread (among many) approaching the 200 posts, most of them purely speculative and beyond the original topic of the thread. It would be nice to spend our whole working day following forums, blogs, bugs and chats but then... when would we do the really productive work we are paid for?
We follow ITt so posting your questions in new, on-topic threads does help. Following the maemo.org announcements (where you can post your comments) help as well. And if you have thoughts about Kate's presentation sharing them with her will help you getting direct answers:
Maemo presentations in ELC - O comments. :/
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2009-04-16
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Originally Posted by qgil
Thanks.
It was in this thread, dozens of posts above.
About "the silence of Nokia", the guys that you will find here including myself simply don't talk about hardware. Even less about non announced devices. Not even the color of the battery.
And then it is also about asking questions in the right places. Here you have ragnar and myself following and answering in a thread (among many) approaching the 200 posts, most of them purely speculative and beyond the original topic of the thread. It would be nice to spend our whole working day following forums, blogs, bugs and chats but then... when would we do the really productive work we are paid for?
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2009-04-16
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Originally Posted by qgil
I did a quick binary search with the help of the roadmap's history (26/11/2008 - 25/03/2009) and "styl" didn't appear in any revision I looked at. I didn't find anything interesting in the 12 hits when I searched maemo.org for "stylus." Kate's presentation is dated April 7, 2009. Without reading between the lines, where else would I find a "Removal of stylus keyboard" type of announcement? I will defend you to your boss if they don't understand that it's not a hardware keyboard.
The fact that Kate's slides cause so many surprises makes me wonder how many people engaged in this thread is aware about the roadmap, announcements and documentation published weeks/months ago.
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Originally Posted by daperl
In Kate's presentation at Bossa conference for e.g (March 10, 2009) :P
I did a quick binary search with the help of the roadmap's history (26/11/2008 - 25/03/2009) and "styl" didn't appear in any revision I looked at. I didn't find anything interesting in the 12 hits when I searched maemo.org for "stylus." Kate's presentation is dated April 7, 2009. Without reading between the lines, where else would I find a "Removal of stylus keyboard" type of announcement?
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#187
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Originally Posted by Jaffa
The fact that he mentioned color leads me to believe that we won't be getting the clear battery.
Thanks.
<irony>Aha! So you're confirming it will have a battery?!</irony>
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2009-04-17
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Originally Posted by attila77
Multi-touch requires capacitive (at least, any sane and truly usable implementation does), and gestures and pressure aren't in the least finger-dependent.
It's not that difficult to make a (pencil shape) stylus incompatible UI. Multi touch operations, gestures, pressure patterns can all make stylus use very difficult, if not impossible.
I don't see a valid point in your post.
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Originally Posted by lemmyslender
There's plenty of information, it's just that many of the posters in this thread seem dead-set on ignoring it.
I agree wholeheartedly with this. There has been a disturbing lack of information in this regard. Combine that with information from the presentation, and it certainly seems as though at least one new tablet will (possiibly) be stylus free. Given my wants/needs I fear that a stylus free model would be one that I would otherwise be interested in.
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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles
You missed the context. The original claim was "If it's finger-usable, it's stylus-usable" and was not referring to either Fremantle nor a particular device. I was disputing the claim that's the case in *ALL* implementations.
Multi-touch requires capacitive (at least, any sane and truly usable implementation does), and gestures and pressure aren't in the least finger-dependent.
Also, given the repeated finger oriented statements, I believe it's just as speculative to assume no maemo device will sport a capacitive screen as to assume they won't. Again, we're not talking about RX-51.
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- compromises will be made (without stylus alternative) which could mean dumbing the UI down to make it 'finger compatible'. See the file chooser dialog of the Fremantle alpha, or the way canola handles settings.
- stylus advocates don't want aftermarket styluses and cords dangling from their pockets
- you don't get to keep Diablo's *full* versatility as there are components that are officially deprecated -> like the aforementioned stylus on-screen keyboard
EDIT: For me, the most important question is the first one, and I think it can be answered by knowledgeable people as it relates to maemo and Fremantle, not a particular device.
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