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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles
Please keep us informed of this progess
No, because beyond the intention to do it the technical details have not yet been hashed out.
There will be a lot of collision between Talk usernames and Freenode usernames and a reasonable way of working this out is needed.
What I was saying, is that like my site, it prompts you for the username you want to use. If the username was unavailable, freenode would let you know, telling you to change your nick. My screen starts you out with a Guest username. Integration would be nice, but I can see if ID's were not registered this would be a problem.
What I am saying is have a IRC page, like mine that will allow you to specify your name. However if you were not logged into maemo, you would not be able to see the page.
This would not allow any random person to login, they would at least need an active maemo.org account. Then you would just be providing a service.
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2009-05-10
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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles
All we are trying to do is help complete that transition.
Let's make something clear: The people who were running maemo.org 2 years ago are not the same people running it today.
2 years ago, maemo.org was Nokia owned and operated, now it is community owned and operated
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2009-05-10
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Originally Posted by lardman
In FACT I do not. But cmon, here is a link to the archives. YOU TELL ME???
Interesting, do we have some numbers to put to this? How many active members of ITT vs active members of the mailing lists?
Go here
http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-community/
You will see a list of the months of mail archives. I scrolled back to the biggest archive. 1MB in October
Then Go here
http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//ma...er/thread.html
I guarantee that MORE people visited ITT, and contributed to many more threads, in the months of October 2008, than took place in the community mailing lists.
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2009-05-10
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What are you discussing, really?
Please tell what is your opiniom on this proposal made yesterday:
Council members, fans and discontents, does anybody disagree on this? Any ideas for improvement?
One day this maemo.org forum here and the maemo-community list there will be just the same. Different instances and interfaces of a same communication channel.
Anybody against this? If not please support Reggie in this work (e.g. not bothering him about anything else if you think such task is the most important in his plate).
Before this integration happens maemo.org forum and mailing list users are expected to be equally informed by the council about what is relevant and what requires actions. The council blog is the place for that. If there are active announcements they should be made both in the forum and the mailing list. People willing to start a discussion about a council related topic will do it from the place he likes better. It's the responsibility of the council to call for a wider debate if the topic deserves it.
This means that a forum user doesn't need to subscribe to a mailing list unless he wants to follow certain topics more closely. And this means that a mailing list user doesn't need to follow a forum unless he wants to watch certain topics more closely. There are also third ways useful for the time being: mailing list addicts can subscribe to threads to receive email notifications, forum addicts can go to http://n2.nabble.com/maemo-community...-f2589537.html and browse/post at will.
Does anybody disagree on this? Any ideas for improvement?
The whole chat debate is quite irrelevant, honestly. There is simply not a relevant amount of council related discussions there. Scheduled meetings are another story: they should be announced in advance, everybody should be able to join (via pure IRC or things like http://mibbit.com ) and the minutes and logs should be published.
Does anybody disagree on this? Any ideas for improvement?
Please don't get stuck in the little stones when all our hands are needed to move the big obstacles away.
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Please tell what is your opiniom on this proposal made yesterday:
Open communication is one of the core values of the Community Council, both to serve as an example to Nokia and because it's the right thing to do. All communication is open by default.
- News and calls for participation are summarized in the Council blog (RSS).
- Council micro-updates can be followed at [new thread to be created in this forum] (watch)
- Council oriented conversation happens in the maemo.org Talk forum (archive) and the maemo-community mailing list (archive), in threads identified with the [Council] tag.
- Also, Council members are usually present over IRC in #maemo, happy to chat with you.
One day this maemo.org forum here and the maemo-community list there will be just the same. Different instances and interfaces of a same communication channel.
Anybody against this? If not please support Reggie in this work (e.g. not bothering him about anything else if you think such task is the most important in his plate).
Before this integration happens maemo.org forum and mailing list users are expected to be equally informed by the council about what is relevant and what requires actions. The council blog is the place for that. If there are active announcements they should be made both in the forum and the mailing list. People willing to start a discussion about a council related topic will do it from the place he likes better. It's the responsibility of the council to call for a wider debate if the topic deserves it.
This means that a forum user doesn't need to subscribe to a mailing list unless he wants to follow certain topics more closely. And this means that a mailing list user doesn't need to follow a forum unless he wants to watch certain topics more closely. There are also third ways useful for the time being: mailing list addicts can subscribe to threads to receive email notifications, forum addicts can go to http://n2.nabble.com/maemo-community...-f2589537.html and browse/post at will.
Does anybody disagree on this? Any ideas for improvement?
The whole chat debate is quite irrelevant, honestly. There is simply not a relevant amount of council related discussions there. Scheduled meetings are another story: they should be announced in advance, everybody should be able to join (via pure IRC or things like http://mibbit.com ) and the minutes and logs should be published.
Does anybody disagree on this? Any ideas for improvement?
Please don't get stuck in the little stones when all our hands are needed to move the big obstacles away.
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2009-05-10
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I've already voiced my opinion that we should make the changes that are being discussed here.
Tim
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2009-05-10
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Originally Posted by qgil
Well lots of things actually
What are you discussing, really?
And it takes lots of discussion and reading to learn. I think this is a great thread. GA did an awesome job on laying out what his role is and how he sees it. You added your perspective which cleared up a little more.
Originally Posted by qgil
Please tell what is your opiniom on this proposal made yesterday:
Open communication is one of the core values of the Community Council, both to serve as an example to Nokia and because it's the right thing to do. All communication is open by default.
* News and calls for participation are summarized in the Council blog (RSS).
How will integration of "Council Blog" happen with the forums and mailing lists to be one form of communication?
(Additionally I wish it could be called "Council News" Blog indicates opinion, although council members are voted in for their opinions, something rubs me the wrong way about it, perhaps another thread, another day)
* Council micro-updates can be followed at [new thread to be created in this forum] (watch)
I think this should be a forum section, with multiple topics
* Council oriented conversation happens in the maemo.org Talk forum (archive) and the maemo-community mailing list (archive), in threads identified with the [Council] tag.
I assume this will change once integration happens
* Also, Council members are usually present over IRC in #maemo, happy to chat with you.
Originally Posted by qgil
Council members, fans and discontents, does anybody disagree on this? Any ideas for improvement?
One day this maemo.org forum here and the maemo-community list there will be just the same. Different instances and interfaces of a same communication channel.
Anybody against this? If not please support Reggie in this work (e.g. not bothering him about anything else if you think such task is the most important in his plate).
Originally Posted by penguinbait
Great so why are we debating this? Please can you identify how this will happen, who the players are? is it just Reggie? What technical hurdles are involved and do we expertise within the community to help move this forward? These are the things I want to hear, and if they are happening, how can we give greater visibility to these type of things to help them get accomplished faster?
Originally Posted by GA
GA's response did not indicate much was already going on this topic. Can you answer any of my questions above?No, because beyond the intention to do it the technical details have not yet been hashed out.
Originally Posted by qgil
The chat debate isn't really only for council activities, it's just for access to #maemo or #maemo-meetings for logged in users. If the community does not want to support this, OK, but open communication is never a bad thing, and I think we really need to strive for over-communication. I would like to see perhaps a quarterly all hands meeting run by council in #maemo-meeting, where some BS feel good news topics can be discussed. Perhaps thats another thread
Before this integration happens maemo.org forum and mailing list users are expected to be equally informed by the council about what is relevant and what requires actions. The council blog is the place for that. If there are active announcements they should be made both in the forum and the mailing list. People willing to start a discussion about a council related topic will do it from the place he likes better. It's the responsibility of the council to call for a wider debate if the topic deserves it.
This means that a forum user doesn't need to subscribe to a mailing list unless he wants to follow certain topics more closely. And this means that a mailing list user doesn't need to follow a forum unless he wants to watch certain topics more closely. There are also third ways useful for the time being: mailing list addicts can subscribe to threads to receive email notifications, forum addicts can go to http://n2.nabble.com/maemo-community...-f2589537.html and browse/post at will.
Does anybody disagree on this? Any ideas for improvement?
The whole chat debate is quite irrelevant, honestly. There is simply not a relevant amount of council related discussions there. Scheduled meetings are another story: they should be announced in advance, everybody should be able to join (via pure IRC or things like http://mibbit.com ) and the minutes and logs should be published.
Does anybody disagree on this? Any ideas for improvement?
Please don't get stuck in the little stones when all our hands are needed to move the big obstacles away.
Again, this has been a great thread,
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To all my Maemo friends. I will no longer be monitoring any of my threads here on a regular basis. I am no longer supporting anything I did under maemo at maemo.org. If you need some help with something you can reach me at tablethacker.com or www.facebook.com/penguinbait. I have disabled my PM's here, and removed myself from Council email and Community mailing list. There has been some fun times, see you around.
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I would like to call a (public) meeting of Council members (and anyone else) -- sorry, it will be at freenode.net/maemo-meeting -- so that we can discuss these topics and do some real-time wiki editing.
Unfortunately, I probably won't be able to do it until after this week, as I'm preparing for a couple of interviews, etc.
I'll try to get the call out (on the maemo-community mailing list) Monday, the 18th.
Tim
Last edited by timsamoff; 2009-05-10 at 20:17.
Unfortunately, I probably won't be able to do it until after this week, as I'm preparing for a couple of interviews, etc.
I'll try to get the call out (on the maemo-community mailing list) Monday, the 18th.
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2009-05-10
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Originally Posted by penguinbait
Not really. Reggie would be the one taking most of the work, I guess. Remember that until last Friday he was erm... reciving plenty of suggestions about tmo themes, so I don't think he has got a minute to think seriously about this forum-mail integration.
GA's response did not indicate much was already going on this topic. Can you answer any of my questions above?
The chat debate isn't really only for council activities, it's just for access to #maemo or #maemo-meetings for logged in users.
The IRC chats are volatile by definition. Go there and catch or throw something. Otherwise you are free to follow the logs. fyi I'm not following #maemo at all (otherwise I wouldn't have time to do actual work) and I consider being well informed about what is going on.
Scheduled IRC meetings require previous announcement, minutes and logs, as said. No problem here.
I would like to see perhaps a quarterly all hands meeting run by council in #maemo-meeting, where some BS feel good news topics can be discussed. Perhaps thats another thread
And your embedded quotes...
> How will integration of "Council Blog" happen with the forums and mailing lists to be one form of communication?
My personal opinion is Proposal: Use Talk as framework for comments in Brainstorm, Downloads and News. Please comment there if you dis/like it.
>>* Council micro-updates can be followed at [new thread to be created in this forum] (watch)
> I think this should be a forum section, with multiple topics
Another personal opinion: I think a twit is a twit is a reply in an existing thread. If you need to create a new thread for each twit then it's not so much of a twit and we will see less of those since starting a new thread requires a bit more effort. For that you have already the threads opened with [Council] or the council blog/news posts.
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2009-05-11
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So basically what I have been asking for HERE and HERE
Is underway now with the http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Comments2Talk and with http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_brainstorm
This will allow all forms of communication to be followed from talk.maemo.org, while continuing to allow people to use council blog and mailing lists. No matter where you post in all these areas will sync and all the same info will be available everywhere.
AWESOME
http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Comments2Talk
This is going to cover my request to create a mechanism to raise certain topic to a higher visibility within the community, and give people a way to vote yes or down on propositions. (will there be a tmo page for this also?)
AWESOME
http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_brainstorm
As for the IRC, it was only a suggestion, "penguinbait slaps qgil around a bit with a large trout" you said mirc
Last edited by penguinbait; 2009-05-11 at 00:16.
Is underway now with the http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Comments2Talk and with http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_brainstorm
This will allow all forms of communication to be followed from talk.maemo.org, while continuing to allow people to use council blog and mailing lists. No matter where you post in all these areas will sync and all the same info will be available everywhere.
AWESOME
http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Comments2Talk
This is going to cover my request to create a mechanism to raise certain topic to a higher visibility within the community, and give people a way to vote yes or down on propositions. (will there be a tmo page for this also?)
AWESOME
http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_brainstorm
As for the IRC, it was only a suggestion, "penguinbait slaps qgil around a bit with a large trout" you said mirc
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To all my Maemo friends. I will no longer be monitoring any of my threads here on a regular basis. I am no longer supporting anything I did under maemo at maemo.org. If you need some help with something you can reach me at tablethacker.com or www.facebook.com/penguinbait. I have disabled my PM's here, and removed myself from Council email and Community mailing list. There has been some fun times, see you around.
Last edited by penguinbait; 2009-05-11 at 00:16.
Why do you feel the need to find error in the content of a post and then remark about it in your reply?
Is it a way to avoid the issue or do you truly feel that an issue has no merit if a t is not crossed or an i does not have a dot.
Concentrate on improvements to the original maemo.org sites and guess what... you will have more visitors, myself included. Ultimately we will have more members as a result.
Continue "fixing" this site and treating members who identify with the forum as less involved or not able to understand things of a "technical" nature and you will have less visitors, myself included.
Is that concise enough for you? Were all my t's crossed?
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A good thread is a work of art and most active forum members know this. They take pride in what is presented and know how to present it. They check all their links and code and stand by ready to serve the viewer more information if needed by responding to any questions the viewer may have on the subject at hand.
Seems to me that these traits are something maemo.org needs more, and not less of.
The thing we all may be forgetting is that for every active member of a forum there are usually many others who just visit to learn.
BTW, this was the issue for all those playing along at home.
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