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@PB: At first, I thought it is a joke about all these changes. Now I see a problem. Could somebody please help, the change is suppose to be for better?!
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Gotta side with these guys. I haven't used the alternative OSes, but, jeez, if I did, I'd want to see all the threads together for the specific OS I was interested in. I certainly wouldn't care if some sub-categories had only a few threads -- that's probably appropriate for what they are.
You know, Linnaeus's taxonomic classification system -- class, order, genus, species? Well, some genera have only a few species -- sometimes only a single species -- but they don't mush the genera together as a result!
You know, Linnaeus's taxonomic classification system -- class, order, genus, species? Well, some genera have only a few species -- sometimes only a single species -- but they don't mush the genera together as a result!
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There was some talks of gaps, by Texrat,
Last edited by penguinbait; 2009-05-11 at 03:30.
Originally Posted by Texrat
These "gaps" also cause gaps in the forums. No new hardware means no new development. When new hardware is released, I will build another full blown KDE version. Right now though, things are stable, and there is no need post because changes or new development is not really happening. Well at least not by me, a beta SDK doesn't really blow my whistle. I never use the SDK gui. So since I have no device to fire up, I am spending my time, helping out in the forums
Gaps cause idle time. Idle time leads to frustration. Frustration leads to antipathy. Antipathy leads to outrage. Outrage leads to bad press. Bad press leads to reduced sales. Reduced sales lead to...
gaps.
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A large part of my last job involved designing hierarchal data structures for reporting Nokia's global delivery issues. My boss tried to take a "design by committee" approach to one such project and we got nowhere for months. Out of frustration, I finally "rebelled", spent a weekend designing it myself based on the inputs I'd been given and then offered it up for review. My boss was blown away. It wasn't the approach he wanted to use but he could not argue with the results. And everyone liked it.
Moral: designing a structure should definitely take everyone's concerns into account, but ONE person needs to do the actual organizational work, then ask for feedback.
In the case of this forum, I'm not convinced the "final" solution is the best one. It may be and I just need time to be convinced... or maybe a mockup should be done, discussed, and implemented when there's at least a reasonable consensus.
Moral: designing a structure should definitely take everyone's concerns into account, but ONE person needs to do the actual organizational work, then ask for feedback.
In the case of this forum, I'm not convinced the "final" solution is the best one. It may be and I just need time to be convinced... or maybe a mockup should be done, discussed, and implemented when there's at least a reasonable consensus.
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Originally Posted by bunanson
I bet most of us have searched for our own posts sometimes, even if they were in "non-merged" forums. My last time was... yesterday and it was somewhere in one of the dark theme threads, posted just few days ago.
I collected a bunch of palm apps with different classifications some time back. I do not remember the name of the title post and search cannot get it. I got it back by searching my own postings. I prefer, if possible, to continue the subclassifications. I am the one who post it and having difficulty to locate it, less mention the visitors dont even know such thing exist.
You say that keeping the Palm OS subforum would have helped you finding the post. How that would have been different than clicking here and doing the very same scan?
Look, here is a proposal to move on: we let ourselves a bit of time. You document what really matters in wiki pages easy to find and you can see what is best for your specific alternative and its users. The situation is relatively static anyway in Alternatives (except Mer) while waiting for new devices to hack. When they come you will see what alternatives get a lot of traction and really require an own space.
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Originally Posted by qgil
I actually would like to be a little less static on my project, but I seem to be spending all my time documenting and doing janitorial work around here
The situation is relatively static anyway in Alternatives (except Mer) while waiting for new devices to hack.
I would love to try to get a really nice, optimized non-hildon replacement desktop for the tablets, maybe a really minimal Gnome or more likely a dressed-up LXDE, running in an Ubuntu chroot. Just can't find the time however...
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Originally Posted by qgil
You say that keeping the Palm OS subforum would have helped you finding the post. How that would have been different than clicking here and doing the very same scan?
The difference is the posts that do NOT contain PALM in the title. Your search only shows the posts that have PALM in the title. There are other posts in the [PALM] category that are not coming up on the searches for PALM in the title, because the title does not contain PALM.
Seriously I keep saying this, am I confusing you? Do you understand what I am saying?
This is the problem in all the categories.
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Originally Posted by penguinbait
In other words, when people were writing titles for a thread in the PALM subforum, they didn't feel the need to put "PALM" in the title because it was in the PALM subforum, so that was already assumed. Now that there isn't a PALM subforum, this has become an unanticipated problem.
The difference is the posts that do NOT contain PALM in the title. Your search only shows the posts that have PALM in the title. There are other posts in the [PALM] category that are not coming up on the searches for PALM in the title, because the title does not contain PALM.
Seriously I keep saying this, am I confusing you? Do you understand what I am saying?
This is the problem in all the categories.
Maybe all the threads from the old PALM subforum should have been appended "PALM: " (e.g. in a searchable way) at the beginning of the post title? And the same with the other subforums. I believe Peguinbait has asked if the list of threads in the old subforums still exist somewhere. Maybe it is possible for someone to still append all the old threads?
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I understand you every time you say it (and I count almost ten) . But do you understand what I'm saying?
A - If bunanson would have used the search the result would have been the same for those threads without "Palm" in the subject. They hadn't "Palm" before and now the search engine can't find them because of the brackets. The rest of the content can be equally found or not-found by the search engine since it doesn't care about subforums. No difference.
B - If the Palm OS subforum would exist still today and bunanson would have got to scan it thread by thread, he would have seen exactly the same threads and in the same sort than this list. No difference.
If A and B show no actual difference with or without subforum, then we can conclude in an Aristotelian way that bunanson would have equally sweat to find that old post with or without subforum.
I think this is a solid argumentation, but I'm ready to see it beaten.
. But do you understand what I'm saying?A - If bunanson would have used the search the result would have been the same for those threads without "Palm" in the subject. They hadn't "Palm" before and now the search engine can't find them because of the brackets. The rest of the content can be equally found or not-found by the search engine since it doesn't care about subforums. No difference.
B - If the Palm OS subforum would exist still today and bunanson would have got to scan it thread by thread, he would have seen exactly the same threads and in the same sort than this list. No difference.
If A and B show no actual difference with or without subforum, then we can conclude in an Aristotelian way that bunanson would have equally sweat to find that old post with or without subforum.
I think this is a solid argumentation, but I'm ready to see it beaten.
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http://talk.maemo.org/forums/search....de&titleonly=1
If I search for Koffice
I can find this post
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=11590
[KDE] Koffice ?? Its been a productive month
Notice the TITLE does not have KDE in it, but its marked as KDE, because it used to exist in the KDE subforum.
Can you give me a search that will give me all the posts that used to be in the KDE forum, not marked by [KDE]
If not, could someone like Reggie, send me a pm with a list of all the post ID's so I can go through them and update tags on all the old threads.
Honestly the ones with KDE in the title are easy to find, it's the ones with KDE in the title, I would also like to find.
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