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2009-05-24
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My main gripe lately is that constructive criticism from members is too often immediately met with unnecessary insults, sarcasm, and verbiage intended to stifle further exploration of the critical subject. When other members of the rank and file do this, it's par for the course-- but when it comes from leadership of any sort, it's perceived as bearing the stamp of authority. That's got to stop. Course correction IS often required, but there are many better ways of doing it than slamming people or their opinions.
I was once selected as a founding member of one company's global diversity council. Silly me, I assumed that meant they saw I already had all the tools required for such a role. Instead, there was relationship management training for all of us. Some of my co-workers scoffed and mocked this, but then, they didn't attend and witness the benefits. I've learned from every single such class, even if it meant RElearning something that in my human stupidity I had gotten away from. The point is that I would submit that ANY community leader should look into this sort of training. Perhaps there's even a free, online course that the Maemo council could attend?
I was once selected as a founding member of one company's global diversity council. Silly me, I assumed that meant they saw I already had all the tools required for such a role. Instead, there was relationship management training for all of us. Some of my co-workers scoffed and mocked this, but then, they didn't attend and witness the benefits. I've learned from every single such class, even if it meant RElearning something that in my human stupidity I had gotten away from. The point is that I would submit that ANY community leader should look into this sort of training. Perhaps there's even a free, online course that the Maemo council could attend?
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2009-05-24
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It almost, to me, seems that the Maemo Community Council has polarized the community. To my understanding, the council is supposed to represent us to Nokia but it almost seems quite the other way around.
Because council voting has been so extremely low -- and only representative of a small segment of the community -- it seems that the biggest Maemo/maemo enthusiasts have been elected.
And this will not change when voting totals are in the 3-digit range. Do the people with the loudest voices already, need a megaphone?
And don't tell me to vote to get someone else elected; because since it seems only long-term die-hard Maemo supporters vote, what's the point (and, I did vote)?
That is not to say that the council hasn't been involved in things that has helped this community; I know they're work is behind the scenes and I'm sure they've helped us in many ways.
The major problem is, is every time there is a dissenter, someone who wants to complain -- justly or not -- it seems like a council member always responds to this and three others give Thanks. This cultivates an us against them mentality, which is the exact opposite of what should happen.
In addition to that, even when someone raises a valid point, if they typed Maemo.org with an uppercase M, or Freemantle with two ee's, they are almost immediately scolded by a council member. Is this a joke?
To me, the whole system is broken.
Because council voting has been so extremely low -- and only representative of a small segment of the community -- it seems that the biggest Maemo/maemo enthusiasts have been elected.
And this will not change when voting totals are in the 3-digit range. Do the people with the loudest voices already, need a megaphone?
And don't tell me to vote to get someone else elected; because since it seems only long-term die-hard Maemo supporters vote, what's the point (and, I did vote)?
That is not to say that the council hasn't been involved in things that has helped this community; I know they're work is behind the scenes and I'm sure they've helped us in many ways.
The major problem is, is every time there is a dissenter, someone who wants to complain -- justly or not -- it seems like a council member always responds to this and three others give Thanks. This cultivates an us against them mentality, which is the exact opposite of what should happen.
In addition to that, even when someone raises a valid point, if they typed Maemo.org with an uppercase M, or Freemantle with two ee's, they are almost immediately scolded by a council member. Is this a joke?
To me, the whole system is broken.
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2009-05-24
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The first couple of days of having my N800 I thought to myself "wow, self, it would be great if we could rotate the screen into portrait mode" and I checked the forum.
Sure enough, there was a huuuuge thread going with instructions on how to do just that (these were pre Advanced Backlight-Rotation days).
It seemed like damn near all of the "loudest voices" mentioned above were there...helping. It seemed (at least to relative stranger) that anybody knowledgable in the community in any was working together to get rotation not just accomplished, but easliy accomplished.
And that was my first real introduction to the community. I thought, damn, these people are awesome!
But over time that public cooperation seems to have faded away a bit.
Maybe the problem is that the Council is too busy doing things behind the scenes? I dunno, I don't really pay too close attention to the council or the politics, as I've said.
Sure enough, there was a huuuuge thread going with instructions on how to do just that (these were pre Advanced Backlight-Rotation days).
It seemed like damn near all of the "loudest voices" mentioned above were there...helping. It seemed (at least to relative stranger) that anybody knowledgable in the community in any was working together to get rotation not just accomplished, but easliy accomplished.
And that was my first real introduction to the community. I thought, damn, these people are awesome!
But over time that public cooperation seems to have faded away a bit.
Maybe the problem is that the Council is too busy doing things behind the scenes? I dunno, I don't really pay too close attention to the council or the politics, as I've said.
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2009-05-24
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Originally Posted by BrentDC
That is exactly what I was talking about.
The major problem is, is every time there is a dissenter, someone who wants to complain -- justly or not -- it seems like a council member always responds to this and three others give Thanks. This cultivates an us against them mentality, which is the exact opposite of what should happen.
In addition to that, even when someone raises a valid point, if they typed Maemo.org with an uppercase M, or Freemantle with two ee's, they are almost immediately scolded by a council member. Is this a joke?
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2009-05-24
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Originally Posted by nemo
Meh, i think its more that things are in a creative limbo. We know some things about the internals of the future device, we have the fremantle sdk releases, but in the end people have slowed down their development projects related to diablo, maybe retooling them for fremantle, maybe just assuming a wait and see attitude while nokia get things cleaned up for the release.
The first couple of days of having my N800 I thought to myself "wow, self, it would be great if we could rotate the screen into portrait mode" and I checked the forum.
Sure enough, there was a huuuuge thread going with instructions on how to do just that (these were pre Advanced Backlight-Rotation days).
It seemed like damn near all of the "loudest voices" mentioned above were there...helping. It seemed (at least to relative stranger) that anybody knowledgable in the community in any was working together to get rotation not just accomplished, but easliy accomplished.
And that was my first real introduction to the community. I thought, damn, these people are awesome!
But over time that public cooperation seems to have faded away a bit.
Maybe the problem is that the Council is too busy doing things behind the scenes? I dunno, I don't really pay too close attention to the council or the politics, as I've said.
For those of us that are more users then developers, this slowdown can be somewhat discomforting, as one may have grown accustomed to seeing the updates list in app manager filled up each week with updates to ones often used programs.
And so idle minds starts asking questions and speculating about whats going on...
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2009-05-24
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I too came here and was impressed with the cooperation and helpfulness. There were (as there always are) some that come across as less than helpful. On the whole, a very positive place.
With the recent changes, that were perhaps poorly communicated it seems that the tone has changed. Like Textrat, I thought about saying something about it. I even started a draft or two. However, I would visit the forum, read some threads, and shake my head. Mostly feeling that my effort would be lost on those that could most benefit, I have seen and participated in other online communities that no longer survive due to a few people putting their desires above the communities.
Instead, I thought it best to get as many people voting as possible. The theory being that the more people that voted, the more likely the next council would represent the community better (whether or not I personally agree). That said, anyone concerned who hasn't signed up for voting should see the link in my sig or look in the maemo.org section for the sticky on voting.
Hopefully, a new device will be forthcoming sooner rather than later and bring this community back together again. The longer we go, the more divided I see this community becoming as ego is placed ahead of the community.
With the recent changes, that were perhaps poorly communicated it seems that the tone has changed. Like Textrat, I thought about saying something about it. I even started a draft or two. However, I would visit the forum, read some threads, and shake my head. Mostly feeling that my effort would be lost on those that could most benefit, I have seen and participated in other online communities that no longer survive due to a few people putting their desires above the communities.
Instead, I thought it best to get as many people voting as possible. The theory being that the more people that voted, the more likely the next council would represent the community better (whether or not I personally agree). That said, anyone concerned who hasn't signed up for voting should see the link in my sig or look in the maemo.org section for the sticky on voting.
Hopefully, a new device will be forthcoming sooner rather than later and bring this community back together again. The longer we go, the more divided I see this community becoming as ego is placed ahead of the community.
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2009-05-24
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In my opinion the first step is this: stifle the trolls, NOT the contributors.
One thing about parenthood is that it provides one with the great opportunity to eat a lot of humble pie. By this I mean listening to ourselves lecturing our kids and realizing we, too, have a lot to learn. In my case that was in the area of instant rebuttals, a bad habit of mine. My youngest son developed the same bad habit and I had to face the "demon inside myself". So last year I started down that path of self-correction so he could better avoid the path of self-destruction.
So that's where I'm coming from. And I'm not even saying "do as I do". I'm saying we all have a tendency to let ego get the better of our innate humanity and that admitting this is the first step toward better relations with others.
I see the instant rebuttal reflex as a HUGE problem here in that it comes across as a slap to posters. I would caution council members especially to flip the conversation around before they commit to that Post Quick Reply button, and consider how it would come across to them.
One thing about parenthood is that it provides one with the great opportunity to eat a lot of humble pie. By this I mean listening to ourselves lecturing our kids and realizing we, too, have a lot to learn. In my case that was in the area of instant rebuttals, a bad habit of mine. My youngest son developed the same bad habit and I had to face the "demon inside myself". So last year I started down that path of self-correction so he could better avoid the path of self-destruction.
So that's where I'm coming from. And I'm not even saying "do as I do". I'm saying we all have a tendency to let ego get the better of our innate humanity and that admitting this is the first step toward better relations with others.
I see the instant rebuttal reflex as a HUGE problem here in that it comes across as a slap to posters. I would caution council members especially to flip the conversation around before they commit to that Post Quick Reply button, and consider how it would come across to them.
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2009-05-24
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Originally Posted by lemmyslender
You reversed the inputs when you put together your link. The text shows the URL and when you click it it brings you to "here", that is, to http://here/.
Don't Forget to Register to Vote for Maemo Community Council. Details http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=28817
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2009-05-24
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Originally Posted by Texrat
I now use the "Report this" function regardless of whether the post was from a moderator, Council Member, or Joe Nokia his own dang self.
My main gripe lately is that constructive criticism from members is too often immediately met with unnecessary insults, sarcasm, and verbiage intended to stifle further exploration of the critical subject. When other members of the rank and file do this, it's par for the course-- but when it comes from leadership of any sort, it's perceived as bearing the stamp of authority. That's got to stop. Course correction IS often required, but there are many better ways of doing it than slamming people or their opinions...
I put what my response would have been in the provided text box and hit submit... It may be just the placebo effect but it at least gives me the satisfaction of responding without subjecting the entire membership to my half of the crap that a threaded response would produce.
I know that is hard to do sometimes, particularly when the offending post ends with what appears to be an insult or raises questions about your motivation, level of intelligence, sanity, or legitimate parentage…
What is most frustrating is when the post also avoids a direct question or sends a productive thread into the dumper and by doing so avoids the original topic all together.
...and that's the rub.
If the offending post goes unchecked it remains in the threaded conversation like an un-flushed turd in a toilet bowl. Turds tend to stink up a place IMHO.
@all…
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