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I guess we are numerous to hope that the next NIT will keep what we like in its predecessors, and are anxious to loose what makes its special :
Screen size, battery life, OS, maybe stylus ...
Screen size, battery life, OS, maybe stylus ...
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2009-05-26
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There is clearly a large community here who want a large (>4") display. I think those of us that are disapointed with this leak need to take a step back and look at motives here.
Maemo is turning out to be a great little OS. Why would Nokia limit that to one device type?
Nokia make phones so its easy for them to put out a all singing all dancing phone with Maemo.
Equally they have found a market, low cost high battery life large screen, which is under exploited but it hasnt sold as well as hoped.
Producing a phone first to build hype and then a tablet when people know what Maemo is seems like good marketing to me.
The deciding factor here though is that all those waiting for a new tablet will go looking elsewhere soon even if they were happy to wait for a NIT before the leak. I think many people feel they trusted Nokia to provide a new tablet and have stayed loyal to this fantastic community and now that faith is waivering.
So, Nokia, its damage control time, let us know if there's a reason to stick around here, otherwise Mer looks like it will be mighty good on many competitor's devices.
Maemo is turning out to be a great little OS. Why would Nokia limit that to one device type?
Nokia make phones so its easy for them to put out a all singing all dancing phone with Maemo.
Equally they have found a market, low cost high battery life large screen, which is under exploited but it hasnt sold as well as hoped.
Producing a phone first to build hype and then a tablet when people know what Maemo is seems like good marketing to me.
The deciding factor here though is that all those waiting for a new tablet will go looking elsewhere soon even if they were happy to wait for a NIT before the leak. I think many people feel they trusted Nokia to provide a new tablet and have stayed loyal to this fantastic community and now that faith is waivering.
So, Nokia, its damage control time, let us know if there's a reason to stick around here, otherwise Mer looks like it will be mighty good on many competitor's devices.
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2009-05-26
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Originally Posted by Jaffa
Wow... I get it now. I used a smiley correctly and you didn't but I'm not Maemo Council or whatever you are, so I'm wrong.
Not sure why you've emboldened me; but given Quim doesn't care a great deal - and it's his company's trademark - and no amount of explaining has clarified the differences (albeit confusingly named, but that's what we've got) between Maemo Software, maemo.org and Maemo; I'm not sure it's worth the dig.
...and besides YoDude, the joke wouldn't have worked so well if I had to correct some hidden document's Finglish!
A lot of good threads in the past simply died because of one member’s insistence on correcting people over something you now say never mattered.
Where were you then? ...and why is that person now thanking you for your comment as if that is what he meant all along?
I'm sorry I had to interrupt this threaded conversation to respond to your off topic post.
Hopefully we follow the advice of others and back away from the quick reply button.
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And BTW, yes my post was a dig but it was done with what I thought was humor and within the context of this thread. My post was not crafted to solicit an off topic response from a specific member nor did I use a specific members name in my original post.
Call it Finglish or whatever but at times, I think that Nokia and maemo.org do not have a clue about what North American users expect from a product, service, or Internet Forum...
We don't mind being herded like the lumbering beasts of burden we have been conditioned to be. We also, for good or ill have a collective faith in our shepherds...
However, once that trust is lost, expect a stampede in a totally new direction.
… And now back to the topic at hand.
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Originally Posted by GeraldKo
I use the traffic layer in Maemo Mapper every time I get into my car. I keep this in a window so I can one touch switch to a traffic cam view or the home screen where more apps can be launched via Personal Menu. >> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=28221
Well, I'll ask you the same question I asked sjgadsby, who also uses full-screen only rarely: what do you use your Tablet for?
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2009-05-26
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Originally Posted by qgil
OK, we're in a stage when *any* news (fake, leaked, official, doesn't matter) stirs the pot. I think everybody agrees on that one.
Note also that if the same blogger would have come with some kind of hints towards a 4.1, no-voice, d-pad tablet there would be another heat discussion here, just in different terms.
However, the interesting thing I learned (well, maybe it's just news for me) from my predictable little poll that the people who are here on tmo are pretty content with the no-voice setup (certainly in the terms that they would not give up defining features for it). I'd like to underline this only as a self-fulfilling prophecy - these are features that that have drawn us to NITs - even while it's OK for Nokia to try to take a multi-device approach to get to a larger audience, it should come as no suprise to Nokia that the crowd here is in large part the 4-5", no voice crowd, so, no surprise they will get a lot of (quite possibly even undeserved) flak given that we don't know what the Maemo 5 lineup will be. To reiterate - in my impression nobody here is AGAINST a device like purported on the start of this thread IF it is the one in the range that is supposed to extend the userbase (in contrast to a N8x0 replacement).
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2009-05-26
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Originally Posted by qgil
Let me make a practical suggestion to you and Peter:
Then don't panic.
How about establishing some channel of communication between people who do hardware design for Maemo devices and the Maemo community? It does not have to be anything particularly involved, just some semi-formal way for Maemo users to convey to hardware designers what they actually want from a device. Right now, things appear to be a bit disconnected, with whoever is responsible for the hardware delivering on the standard checklists of features (camera - check!, gps - check!, etc) but completely missing on what actual users want (why nobody thought of putting a dpad on the back of the device where you hold it as a camera?)
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2009-05-26
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fms, intersting idea, but maybe too complex and not practical in a business environment.
I guess that the best we can do is to express in this forum our ideas, needs, desires ... and hope that somebody in Nokia is reading ...
Last edited by totololo; 2009-05-26 at 11:35.
I guess that the best we can do is to express in this forum our ideas, needs, desires ... and hope that somebody in Nokia is reading ...
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2009-05-26
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Originally Posted by attila77
"Voters: 60."
However, the interesting thing I learned (well, maybe it's just news for me) from my predictable little poll that the people who are here on tmo are pretty content with the no-voice setup
I alone have been asked more than 60 times "when are you going to put a phone on that thing"?
Also, how many times someone came and said: OpenMoko, hear hear!
So you can look at your survey, but you can also remember all the things that have been discussed here. In ITt. Within the very same Maemo community.
Ask yourself how many tablets are currently lying somewhere because their owners at some point got tired of carrying two devices, one of them being actually too big for their pocket and etc.
Hey, don't read between my lines. I'm, just reminding you what owners of tablets have said in the past. To add some pepper to your survey.
So yes, I still think that there would be a heat discussion no matter what the specs discussed (fictional or real, alleged or confimed) are.
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2009-05-26
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Originally Posted by attila77
Yes, that is of course understandable - I hope to everyone involved here. It's a bit like antrophic reasoning. Talk Maemo forum users are here because they like, or want to like, the Maemo devices, and they know the current incarnations of them.
However, the interesting thing I learned (well, maybe it's just news for me) from my predictable little poll that the people who are here on tmo are pretty content with the no-voice setup (certainly in the terms that they would not give up defining features for it). I'd like to underline this only as a self-fulfilling prophecy - these are features that that have drawn us to NITs - even while it's OK for Nokia to try to take a multi-device approach to get to a larger audience, it should come as no suprise to Nokia that the crowd here is in large part the 4-5", no voice crowd, so, no surprise they will get a lot of (quite possibly even undeserved) flak given that we don't know what the Maemo 5 lineup will be. To reiterate - in my impression nobody here is AGAINST a device like purported on the start of this thread IF it is the one in the range that is supposed to extend the userbase (in contrast to a N8x0 replacement).
I hope it is also obvious to everyone involved here the percentage of potential customers and users that are not here. I at least see the gaps just as much as the non-gaps. The vocal range of the current talk.maemo.org forum population does not equal the mass market / average user voice.
It's the Marketing 101 topic of early adopters vs. mass markets. Early adopters see the potential benefits and are able to tolerate far more hassle and inconvenience with the product offerings. Mass markets generally reject new products as long as they are too slow/bulky/hard to use/geeky/complicated/inconvenient/expensive.
Basic consumer research, the thing that we do here pretty much all the time, finds potential customers and studies a) what do they think about the current devices and b) what kind of devices they would like to have. It would of course be foolish to not do that and act accordingly: what is the Maemo angle and way to fulfill consumer needs. Imitating competitors also directly and completely is also not the best strategy.
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All times are GMT. The time now is 09:57.
Definitely that time is not defined by some blogger somewhere (with all respect to tech bloggers).
Note also that if the same blogger would have come with some kind of hints towards a 4.1, no-voice, d-pad tablet there would be another heat discussion here, just in different terms.
Like I have no doubt there will be a heat discussion when a new device is launched. It was the same when the N810 and the N800 were launched (you have not forgotten that, haven't you) so why would be different now. Yet many of the loud and opinionated early posters evolved in their opinions, got evetually the real thing in their hands and nowadays can be found in the happy side. Yes, there are exceptions but you know what I mean.
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