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2009-05-26
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Originally Posted by qgil
I might have not been concise/down to the point enough - I was just saying, over time, the userbase HERE is getting pretty uniformed on some base-expectations (with a few notable exceptions, of course). I know this means ZERO representation of NIT people in the streets, focus groups, potential new users who would very much prefer a phone in there, etc. I was completely referring to my observations in light of the perceived expectations of the tmo community. I'm not saying Nokia should do this or should do that. As for previous discussions - yes, there were harsh word over even minor quibbles and HW mods (boy am I going to get unthanked from microSD dissers for this
So you can look at your survey, but you can also remember all the things that have been discussed here. In ITt. Within the very same Maemo community.
), but has it ever been nearly as uniform a response as it was here with the screen size issue, taking my silly poll into account or not ?
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2009-05-26
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#373
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Originally Posted by qgil
...and how many stubborn owners like me, who have upgraded BOTH devices (tablet and phone) *three times* since the 770 came out ? :-)
So you can look at your survey, but you can also remember all the things that have been discussed here. In ITt. Within the very same Maemo community.
Ask yourself how many tablets are currently lying somewhere because their owners at some point got tired of carrying two devices, one of them being actually too big for their pocket and etc.
Just as an additional data point, of course : that's six Nokia devices :-)
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2009-05-26
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#374
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Originally Posted by ragnar
Certainly ! I fully agree opening to people currently repulsed or on the fence because of form factor, voice or something similar. I just tried to deduce what a 'hardcore' early-adopter would consider the essence of NIT's, but apparently Quim took it a bit as a request to dissmiss different approaches or try to present an opinion as globally dominant
I hope it is also obvious to everyone involved here the percentage of potential customers and users that are not here. I at least see the gaps just as much as the non-gaps. The vocal range of the current talk.maemo.org forum population does not equal the mass market / average user voice.
What Nokia wants to offer to the people currently on the NIT boat is of course Nokia's choice. Personally, it would still be nice not to feel as a gambit asset, though (i.e. trade 50K current users for 100K different users by shifting the target audience). Again, I'm not saying this is happening as it won't be clear where the Maemo hardware division is headed until the Maemo 5 lineup is announced. Just thinking out loud, no judgements or intention of pressure.
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2009-05-26
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#375
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Originally Posted by Capt'n Corrupt
On the contrary, recent discussion threads show that we do know what we want.
Besides, if this community is any indication, we don't know what we want.
A multi-billion dollar company planning a course to a successful product based on a small group of fragmented posters, is not good business sense, or sense period.
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2009-05-26
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#376
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I thought we had an understanding that there would be no more marketing seminars. You come to a forum of people and treat us like statistics. Again, we know why you're doing what you're doing, but why can't you accept that some of us don't like it and think less of Nokia for doing it? You seem to think we're unreasonable, well, same to you.
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2009-05-26
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Anyway, the picture suposedly leaked of this next NIT is really awfull, prespective is a mess in the keyboard area, as well as the top of the screen and the camera ...
I suppose that Nokia wouldn't make a so ugly drawing. So, it should be a fake.
I suppose that Nokia wouldn't make a so ugly drawing. So, it should be a fake.
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2009-05-26
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Originally Posted by fms
You fail to see the bias in there. The 100 customers that bought joystick cars tend to like the joysticks in their cars. It's both a bias of accepting certain solutions, and another bias of growing accustomed to whatever you are currently using.
"100 bloggers is not a market" is a common argument used to blow off any ideas of user participation in development process. It is, of course, true that 100 people do not represent the whole market. Thus, blindly following what these people say would be unwise. Nevertheless, when you have got 100 people actively using your product on the daily basis, you should at least listen to what these people have to say about the product. They are essentially testing your product for free, finding new use cases and optimal device configurations. Why not use their experience as one of input components during device design is not clear to me. For example, when active 100 users are telling you that they want a dpad, the chances are pretty high that the remaining N million potential users will also want dpads.
Best practice is to take the entire population of potential consumers - certainly including the current users - and to test amongst them as a whole. The dpad discussion has been discussed to death, but your assumption in this case is simply not correct. Naturally the results of any dpad study also depend on the hardware and the SW running in that hardware. It's about what kind of user experience we want to provide to the users.
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2009-05-26
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Originally Posted by ragnar
Well, dpad is pretty much necessary for most dynamic games, and most Nokia phones have dpads. So, by removing dpad you close off whole bunch of use cases at the advantage of not having 4 stupid little buttons. It is not like not having a joystick in your car, but more akin to not having a steering wheel.
You fail to see the bias in there. The 100 customers that bought joystick cars tend to like the joysticks in their cars. It's both a bias of accepting certain solutions, and another bias of growing accustomed to whatever you are currently using.
Best practice is to take the entire population of potential consumers - certainly including the current users - and to test amongst them as a whole.
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2009-05-26
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Originally Posted by fms
Are you aware that nokia selected an ebook reader as one of the fremantle stars?
Yep. There goes ebook reading...
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Besides, if this community is any indication, we don't know what we want. Individually, perhaps, but not as a cohesive whole. Between D-pads on the inside and out, capacitive vs. resistive touch, keyboards and no keyboards, phone vs. data only, etc, we are tremendously fragmented in vision and preference. Add to that, that we seem to complain about devices one day, then champion them the next (N800/N810). Individually we may have an idea of what we want, but together, we resemble a patient suffering of dissociative identity disorder.
A multi-billion dollar company planning a course to a successful product based on a small group of fragmented posters, is not good business sense, or sense period.
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