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Originally Posted by Texrat
Well yes, you know the Nokia product segmentation just as well as I do. By "potential customers" I did mean the potential targeted segment, not the entire population. Sorry if that was unclear.
Ummm... I'm gonna have to see authority on that, ragnar-- because my own experience as a former product designer was just the opposite: you identify a market SEGMENT, pull your study candidates from that select pool and target them.
I guarantee you that while Apple may have tested against a very large sample with the iPhone, they had specific demographics in mind.
But I hope you also know the percentage of sales that any device sells outside the targeted market segment.
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Originally Posted by casper27
Just look a couple of post up
Screen size hasn't been mentioned on this page yet :-)
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Originally Posted by fms
Maybe the D-Pad of the new device will be called "accelerometers"...
Well, dpad is pretty much necessary for most dynamic games, and most Nokia phones have dpads. So, by removing dpad you close off whole bunch of use cases at the advantage of not having 4 stupid little buttons. It is not like not having a joystick in your car, but more akin to not having a steering wheel.
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Originally Posted by casper27
Next step, Ajaxify the forums for refresh-free viewing
Wow this thread is turning into a monster keep having to hit refresh just to keep up. At the moment there are 50 people viewing/taking part.
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Originally Posted by daperl
I'd say because Apple had a vision over the user experience of the product. They do the product according to their vision and then verify the vision with consumer testing. There are loads of mobile devices with hardware keyboard and loads without them. Whichever you select, people will complain.
Oh my god, he wipped out the joystick analogy again. Okay, a few questions, why doesn't Apple have a hardware keyboard? Are 30+ million people wrong or didn't they do their marketing research or both? Or are they in a market that doesn't matter to Nokia?
The fact that there's no hardware keyboard probably cuts out a certain percentage of potential customers, but it's rare for any single feature to have a significant cut in total sales, it's more about the whole package. People are willing to have "less than ideal" - of course that's a very subjective statement - features in certain areas if the total offering is very tempting.
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Originally Posted by Capt'n Corrupt
I do not see much disagreement on dpad or bigger screen size in this forum. There are a few people who say they can live without these features, but nobody is saying "no, we do not need these, throw them away". Previously, I did not see much disagreement on having GSM or GPS in the device, even although a few people said they can live without these features. So, generally, there is no much controversy on what forum posters want.
There are many other threads that indicate the opposite. Right?
On that footing it can be equally argued that it is simply an indication of the reluctance of individuals to accept change.
Neither argument has much credibility because they are founded on unvalidated propositions. Unless we conduct research into these assertions, their validity will remain a mystery.
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Originally Posted by pycage
Maybe the D-Pad of the new device will be called "accelerometers"...
An accelerometer is an electromechanical device that will measure acceleration forces so I don't think it will have anything to do with the D-Pad. Hopefully the D-pad may be hidden under a secret panel activated by the in built fingerprint reader.
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Originally Posted by Texrat
Well, I don't think it's very bad logic. Form factors are going through an evolutionary process. Mobile phones and PDA type devices and UMPC:s are all evolving and have been around for quite some time. There is vast amounts of consumer research data already available about preferred device sizes. Device size is one part of the puzzle in which devices users prefer. Sizes that people prefer sell more than those that people don't prefer.
Again: that was bad logic on ragnar's part. Very bad. Jet packs make real good sense for getting around-- so why doesn't everyone have one?
In my mind the mobile device sizs actually the most important figure, the screen size is a secondary issue. For screen size people want the display to be "as big as possible" within the given size of the device, unless they want hardware buttons in the same surface or there are some other ergonomic reasons for not doing so. In five years perhaps the screen covers 99% of the surface where it currently still requires some margins.
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I don't think jet packs make any sense.
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Originally Posted by pycage
I am already considering using accelerometer to replace joypad input in my applications, but in the same time do not think that accelerometer will have necessary precision. In other words, you may not be able to use it to control game characters well enough to beat some game levels. Still, will do what I can, given hardware limitations. I do this a lot lately...
Maybe the D-Pad of the new device will be called "accelerometers"...
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