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Originally Posted by bergie
Good that you did not notice any difference with the screen size. But if it looked so good on a 3.5 screen how many times more nicer would it look in a 4.1 or greater screen.
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2009-06-02
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Originally Posted by Mara
Because I like having my GPS on foot, too.
I think there is one key difference: The GPS you most likely use only in the car... so why not just leave it there all the time? The media player though... that you take with you everywhere, so there you have a point.
Really, the N810 is almost ideal for me all around and I usually don't mind its bulk. In fact I don't get why so many people get so hung up over it, and I still laugh at the old race to get cell phones so thin. At some point size reduction means a sacrifice in usability, but again that depends largely on use case. But trim the N810 a bit, add an *option* to plug in a WLAN radio card as I can with a laptop and I will be ecstatic.
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Originally Posted by Texrat
Exactly.
We just can't get away from that Other Device Required paradigm, can we?
I don't want to have to carry this "other device" besides my Phone. My phone should be able to do all of the things those "other [pocketable] devices" do, where those "other devices" are:
- Mobile Phone(*) (with voice, SMS/MMS, and WWAN data)
- Pocketable Linux/Unix computer
- Pocketable Internet (email, IM, etc.) device
- Pocketable full-feature/experience Web device
- Pocketable PIM-type device
- Pocketable Media Player
- Pocketable Game Player
- Pocketable GPS
(* included because, depending on your perspective, the phone might be the "primary device", or the "other device")
Any solution for my pocket where I have to get some or all of those functions by carrying "another device" is an insufficient solution.
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2009-06-02
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Originally Posted by Texrat
Aha! I like that ~4" part. Very diplomatic of you in treading a middle ground ... but that's what we should all be doing instead of being so vociferous about 3.5" against 4" on a device none of us have handled. Now on I am going to call it a ~4" screen even though I know the exact screen size.
I'm sticking with my opinion that the first ~4" screen without the N810's peripheral real estate will be a mind-blowing success.
I take that back: COULD be.
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Originally Posted by johnkzin
IMHO there's still a big show stopper with current technology: the battery life time!
Exactly.
I don't want to have to carry this "other device" besides my Phone. My phone should be able to do all of the things those "other [pocketable] devices" do, where those "other devices" are:
- Mobile Phone(*) (with voice, SMS/MMS, and WWAN data)
- Pocketable Linux/Unix computer
- Pocketable Internet (email, IM, etc.) device
- Pocketable full-feature/experience Web device
- Pocketable PIM-type device
- Pocketable Media Player
- Pocketable Game Player
- Pocketable GPS
It's currently not feasible to have all on one device because the batteries run emtpy too fast.
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2009-06-02
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Originally Posted by johnkzin
Yeah so does everyone. But all the above things mentioned are better on a bigger screen. So why not have an option to have a device with a bigger screen.
Exactly.
I don't want to have to carry this "other device" besides my Phone. My phone should be able to do all of the things those "other [pocketable] devices" do, where those "other devices" are:
- Mobile Phone(*) (with voice, SMS/MMS, and WWAN data)
- Pocketable Linux/Unix computer
- Pocketable Internet (email, IM, etc.) device
- Pocketable full-feature/experience Web device
- Pocketable Media Player
- Pocketable Game Player
- Pocketable GPS
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Originally Posted by sachin007
Yes, I do agree - how much nicer would it look on a 7" screen - just imagine (but I am drooling with the thought)... but why oh why didn't Nokia make the tablets 7" in the first place ?
Good that you did not notice any difference with the screen size. But if it looked so good on a 3.5 screen how many times more nicer would it look in a 4.1 or greater screen.
Because for a nice pocketable Tablet form factor 4" was considered just perfect by the Nokia designers.
Similarly for a pocketable form and use as a Phone form factor, a 3.5" (or ~ 4" to quote Texrat) is an ideal form factor as considered by Nokia, Samsung, Apple, Motorola and other phone mfrs.
Yes granted for those who are not looking for a phone in a tablet - your main quibble can be that why include a phone and drive up the prices, lock down the device, etc etc.
But the main point seems to be stuck at why a < 4" screen on the new "phone" device ? Lets get over that - as that is a part of the best form-factor for a phone (and we know the N900 is going to be a phone).
Its about time we accepted that yes - Nokia has decided to bring out a Maemo phone first rather than another Maemo tablet (which might come later). So if that is accepted, then I think we can now all agree that for a phone, a 3.5" screen seems a good enough fit and not that noticeble a downgrade (in fact I wouldn't want to hold up a 4" or > 4" screened phone to my ears).
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Originally Posted by sachin007
Not everyone. There are definitely people who argue against the single device approach, and, for example, insist on having their phone be separate from their tablet.
Yeah so does everyone.
But all the above things mentioned are better on a bigger screen. So why not have an option to have a device with a bigger screen.
1) Car GPS
2) E-Book Reader
And, frankly, I don't do either of those ... and if I did the latter, I wouldn't do it on a 4"ish screen, either. That's too small for me. The smaller kindle is really the minimum e-book reader I'd go with. That's really something I'd apply to my non-pocketable device (so, a Maemo convertible tablet netbook would be better suited for that, to me).
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Originally Posted by gerbick
I'd say..leave the Garmin GPS in the trunk (assuming it's not baking temperature) since both the iPhone and Nokia suffers from dedicated POI mapping navigation wise. (Finding alternative routes or finding a Starbucks) But if it's basic navigation the n810 or IPhone can easily replace it. For gaming the iPhone does it decently but I'd still prefer a PSP or DS anyday.
I'm trying my best to consolidate gadgets. When I go to my car now, it's:
Nokia N810
Garmin GPS
iPhone 3G
Sony PSP or Nintendo DSi (sometimes)
There's an overlap in features, but I'm tired of carrying so much to my car and charging so much while in the house. I wanted to get rid of two of these... the Nokia N810/Garmin GPS (originally the N810's GPS was to be the only one... yeah right).
Originally Posted by johnkzin
My problem with those solutions has always been this thing called battery life. I'm always bound to overuse the game player aspect of a device which leaves the battery dead for when I need to use the phone. Which is why if I'm going game I carry a dedicated gaming device, the other features can easily be combined into a phone (given enough storage size and decent specs)
Exactly.
I don't want to have to carry this "other device" besides my Phone. My phone should be able to do all of the things those "other [pocketable] devices" do, where those "other devices" are:
- Mobile Phone(*) (with voice, SMS/MMS, and WWAN data)
- Pocketable Linux/Unix computer
- Pocketable Internet (email, IM, etc.) device
- Pocketable full-feature/experience Web device
- Pocketable PIM-type device
- Pocketable Media Player
- Pocketable Game Player
- Pocketable GPS
(* included because, depending on your perspective, the phone might be the "primary device", or the "other device")
Any solution for my pocket where I have to get some or all of those functions by carrying "another device" is an insufficient solution.
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2009-06-02
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#90
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Originally Posted by nilchak
It is absolutely good that nokia is releasing a maemo phone. But all signs are pointing towards the discontinuation of the tablets. I understand that it is not official but we gotta work with what we have. For some of us it is a big disappointment since we were following this forum for tablet type devices.
Yes, I do agree - how much nicer would it look on a 7" screen - just imagine (but I am drooling with the thought)... but why oh why didn't Nokia make the tablets 7" in the first place ?
Because for a nice pocketable Tablet form factor 4" was considered just perfect by the Nokia designers.
Similarly for a pocketable form and use as a Phone form factor, a 3.5" (or ~ 4" to quote Texrat) is an ideal form factor as considered by Nokia, Samsung, Apple, Motorola and other phone mfrs.
Yes granted for those who are not looking for a phone in a tablet - your main quibble can be that why include a phone and drive up the prices, lock down the device, etc etc.
But the main point seems to be stuck at why a < 4" screen on the new "phone" device ? Lets get over that - as that is a part of the best form-factor for a phone (and we know the N900 is going to be a phone).
Its about time we accepted that yes - Nokia has decided to bring out a Maemo phone first rather than another Maemo tablet (which might come later). So if that is accepted, then I think we can now all agree that for a phone, a 3.5" screen seems a good enough fit and not that noticeble a downgrade (in fact I wouldn't want to hold up a 4" or > 4" screened phone to my ears).