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2009-06-11
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Originally Posted by geneven
Because there was interesting&useful discussion which was clearly off topic in this thread. Moving related posts to a new thread serves the whole community because more people will actually see the conversation.
Someone suggested that a "moderator" start another thread, which would be more appropriate.
Why is a "moderator" needed to do this? Because you want the color of authority, someone making this thread end?
This thread has become totally useless for any meaningful discussions. You can continue it if you wish.
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2009-06-11
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Originally Posted by attila77
Maemo could use SELinux. I think each package should include its own SELinux policy, so that each application has to declare what access it needs before being installed. A tool could be written to present the policies to the user in a readible (and simplified) form. This would allow users to decide what applications can do, rather that the device manufacturer.
You're missing the main point of my post. Most linux distros (Maemo incl) are NOT RUNNING MANAGED CODE. This means that your data and system are at the mercy of the packages. How are you going to prevent an app having root access not messing with your maemostore account or point 2) ? Who is going to guarantee you (and how) that the point 3) is declared correctly (and respected) ?
The bottom line is that people see this from a user perspective and think AppStore (and thus ApplicationManager) *IS* the ecosystem - but it isn't, it's just a facet, the distribution arm. That cannot be transplanted to other platforms until there is a clear mechanism/enforceable policy on the system level to separate the applications from the OS and other apps (iPhoneOS has this sandboxing, Android too). Maemo doesn't do this, and until it does, all the talk about a payment system, better descriptions, etc are superfluous.
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2009-06-11
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Originally Posted by geneven
I wouldn't read too much into that. Moderators have to power to put threads in the right place and I agree, seperate issues should be raised in separate threads.
By the way...
Someone suggested that a "moderator" start another thread, which would be more appropriate.
Why is a "moderator" needed to do this? Because you want the color of authority, someone making this thread end?
Because I don't see why someone wanting to start a new thread couldn't just put a note here saying, "This interesting conversation seems more appropriately continued in a new thread, so I've continued it here" and giving directions to the new thread.
For example, when someone in this thread suggested that I take a topic elsewhere, because the discussion was too heated, that is exactly what I did.
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2009-06-11
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Originally Posted by mikkov
This comment is fascinating because it has nothing to do with what I said. I said that a moderator wasn't needed to start a new thread. You said that this thread is useless. Fine, so start a new thread! You don't need a moderator to do that.
Because there was interesting&useful discussion which was clearly off topic in this thread. Moving related posts to a new thread serves the whole community because more people will actually see the conversation.
This thread has become totally useless for any meaningful discussions. You can continue it if you wish.
For me, this thread is the 'dying of the light' of ITT, so I hate to see it end.
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2009-06-11
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Moderator can move the related posts to new thread. Nobody else can do it. In other forums where moderators actually do something, it's normal procedure.
Nobody is saying that this thread should end.
Nobody is saying that this thread should end.
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2009-06-11
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Originally Posted by Johnx
The areas that generate the most excitement these days for the zaurus community seem to be Debian and Ubuntu and hopefully one day Mer. The fact that some users are still finding utility in their Zaurii to this day is a testament to the resourcefulness of a handful of users and the excellent hardware Sharp brought to the table.
That being said I think a lot of people would still be using their Zauruses if the Zaurus community hadn't become so fragmented that development ground to a halt.
The zaurus was never intended as a general purpose machine after Sharp abandoned the US market early. The main focus for Sharp was sophisticated dictionaries which required sophisticated hardware at the time. All the cool clamshell Zaurii had to be imported from Japan.
I agree the Zaurus community fragmented and some of the core leaders in the community seem to have abandoned it or moved on.
The derivative of Sharp's original OS is stuck at QT embedded 2.x based and a 2.4 kernel. Some great software was written for that platform, including some decent commercial software. A lesson here is to not rely on proprietary or special purpose tool kits. While Hildon may be great, I think the real power of something like Mer is to be able to apt-get a large amount of software from the ubuntu arm repositories. There is lots of software I use that isn't available under or been ported to Maemo.
Some of the other Zaurus distros went by the wayside when the giants who brought them forth moved on. That's a lesson for the maemo community. Giants and luminaries are great, but when they go, the mere mortals suffer.
Angstrom provides features which have enabled Debian and Ubuntu to run on the Zaurus and allows multibooting with different kernels. But an end-user distribution was not something the developers seemed to care much for. Sometimes I wonder if the developers actively discouraged the end users from being involved. Another lesson for the maemo community, actively embrace your users.
I guess another lesson from the Zaurus is that while a commercial sponsor is great, when the company decides to move on it is the users and opensource developer community that will need to carry on. Nokia will one day abandon the platform, and it will be up to community to continue to innovate and find uses for their beloved devices.
Anyway, enough rambling for now .... What's the record for most posts in a thread BTW?
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2009-06-11
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Originally Posted by mikkov
Splitting , moving, and time syncing posts in a new thread is a giant PITA!
Moderator can move the related posts to new thread. Nobody else can do it. In other forums where moderators actually do something, it's normal procedure.
Nobody is saying that this thread should end.
That's why "other forums" have rules about "thread 'jacking", posting in the wrong forum and so on. Moderators who "actually do something" often restrict posting privileges for 3 to 5 days of members who violate these rules.
BTW, should a "discussion about app managers and stores" even be in this forum?
Now back on topic...
How about them specs, eh?
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2009-06-11
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Originally Posted by mikkov
There is nothing stopping a normal user from copying and pasting the posts to a new thread. It is not essential that all posts be eradicated from here. It is only essential that a note saying the discussion has been moved be placed here.
Moderator can move the related posts to new thread. Nobody else can do it. In other forums where moderators actually do something, it's normal procedure.
Nobody is saying that this thread should end.
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2009-06-12
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Honestly, I don't even want to try splitting this thread -- even though I agree that it should. I agree that it would be a big pain (unless Reggie knows of a painless way to do it). I could try, but I'd have to find all pertinent posts, etc. Maybe someone who is passionate about the issue can post a new thread and quote some of the useful passages here. That would be helpful.
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Someone suggested that a "moderator" start another thread, which would be more appropriate.
Why is a "moderator" needed to do this? Because you want the color of authority, someone making this thread end?
Because I don't see why someone wanting to start a new thread couldn't just put a note here saying, "This interesting conversation seems more appropriately continued in a new thread, so I've continued it here" and giving directions to the new thread.
For example, when someone in this thread suggested that I take a topic elsewhere, because the discussion was too heated, that is exactly what I did.
Last edited by geneven; 2009-06-11 at 21:21.