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Originally Posted by ioioio
Yeah, they mostly all do: vi <config file>*
If a GUI is too much trouble, then have a kind of "system:config" page similar to the Firefox "about:config" page.
*Or gconf-editor for some.
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Originally Posted by luca
Well, I find myself constantly going into the command line and starting off with the customary -sudo gainroot in my n810. Be it changing MAC addresses, power profiles as someone stated, changing button mappings (run-standalone.sh!! took me forever to figure that one out), etc, etc. As for desktop, anytime I install a Linux OS in Virtualbox, the first thing I have to do is go to the command line and install the Virtualbox guest additions from the command line, because I can't double click it nor right click and run as admin (ty Windows).
On my desktop (laptop actually) linux there's no need to use the command line for any setting.
Originally Posted by luca
The Windows Registry is a mess, it should have been junked a long time ago, they just keep it for backward compatibility, as if Vista was ever backward compatible with XP. At least its a GUI, I don't have to go to the command line and type --regedit /newkey HKLM/Software/....etc.
Oh, sure, or something as friendly as regedit....
Originally Posted by luca
That's exactly how I feel when I go into the command line, like I'm using something from the 90's.
Hey, the nineties called and want their FUD back.
And with that I think I'm officially exiled from the Linux/Unix/Maemo/GNU/ARM/etc. community. I hate Vista, so I guess that only leaves me with XP to send my asylum application to.
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Well, normally I would take the pro-CLI position when it comes to Linux, but on a device like the NIT, the CLI is actually counter productive and hard to use, and thus I lean towards the side of an all gui experience. Now if it's a regular PC, no way. CLI + GUI all the way. The only time I advocate 100% GUI is if it's an environment that doesn't lend itself well to a command line use.
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Originally Posted by ioioio
The counter argument is that you don't want to overwhelm exactly that part of the audience with too many options which they have no hope/interest of understanding in the first place. Example: type "/sbin/sysctl -a" into a shell session on your tablet (that's just a small subset of the "system" settings). Do we really need a GUI that can set all those options? Who is going to support those 80% of non-geeks when they fiddle with it and break their system in various ways?
Ideally, you should never have to go into the command line for any system or application settings (the only exceptions I can think of is writing scripts) Firstly, it's not user friendly and is going to turn off 80% of non-geeks.
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Originally Posted by qole
Just learned something new. Cool.
Basically, just do this as root:
(all on one line)Code:echo performance > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor
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Originally Posted by ioioio
Oh, sure, like it's easy to do in the windows gui not! (besides, that's not what a typical gui user would want to do).
Well, I find myself constantly going into the command line and starting off with the customary -sudo gainroot in my n810. Be it changing MAC addresses,
Originally Posted by ioioio
Nobody forces you to change the power profile, the tablet will work as intended even if you don't do that, that's probably why nokia doesn't provide a gui to modify it. On my laptop I just click on the battery icon and, hey, presto, a gui pops up to set power relate settings.
power profiles as someone stated,
Originally Posted by ioioio
I'm not sure it works (I use virtualbox to virtualise windows, not linux), but my distro provides a package for the guest additions, so it's just a matter of clicking on the control panel icon, select the add/remove software option, find the virtualbox guest additions, click on install, click on apply.
changing button mappings (run-standalone.sh!! took me forever to figure that one out), etc, etc. As for desktop, anytime I install a Linux OS in Virtualbox, the first thing I have to do is go to the command line and install the Virtualbox guest additions from the command line, because I can't double click it nor right click and run as admin (ty Windows).
Look ma, all from a gui!, and I didn't even need to manually download it!
Like I said, the 90s called and want their FUD back.
Originally Posted by ioioio
Fact is, there are some settings that can only be modified through it (take a look at the microsoft knowledge base), and it ain't pretty. It surely isn't better than hand editing some settings in a clearly documented text file.
The Windows Registry is a mess, it should have been junked a long time ago
Originally Posted by ioioio
Oh, if that's the problem, nobody forces you to use vi, you can always use kate, kwrite, gedit to edit configuration files. Hey, it's a gui editor, right?
, they just keep it for backward compatibility, as if Vista was ever backward compatible with XP. At least its a GUI, I don't have to go to the command line and type --regedit /newkey HKLM/Software/....etc.
Originally Posted by ioioio
That could be true in the early 90s, nobody is forcing you to do it anymore with any sane, contemporary distro.
That's exactly how I feel when I go into the command line, like I'm using something from the 90's.
Originally Posted by ioioio
If it works for you, more power to you, nobody is forcing you to switch....Oh, wait.
And with that I think I'm officially exiled from the Linux/Unix/Maemo/GNU/ARM/etc. community. I hate Vista, so I guess that only leaves me with XP to send my asylum application to.
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On my desktop (laptop actually) linux there's no need to use the command line for any setting. It's still there if you want to use it, and I actually do use it because it's faster for most tasks and I'm used to it. Nobody forces you to use a command line.