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fms is offline fms
2009-07-07 , 18:20
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Originally Posted by Architengi View Post
OK, sorry for not telling you my whole experience with Symbian.
<Yawn>, let us hear this sad, sad story...

I bought the N95 8G at Best Buy on a promotion - instead of $400 I paid last year $250 on a 3 year contract with $40/mnth plan. Without plan the N95 8G would cost $700. Anyways, because of the 3 yrs plan which costs me $480/year plus taxes, let's say $500/yr - the total cost is $1500 in 3 years for the plan and the subsidizing part of it for the cost of the phone. So total cost in 3 years is $1500 + $250 = $1750 the N95 phone + 3 yrs plan. Not cheap.
Ok, so you have been fleeced in a traditional American way. Instead of just buying the latest decent, reasonably cheap S60 phone on the Internet, you bought an overpriced "flagship device" and let the cellular company enroll you into "a plan". To add insult to the injury, N95 looks and feels like a brick.

Does anybody think a $700 symbian s60 v3.1 phone unsubsidized is a correct price
No. I am sure nobody does.

I don't get firmware updates
You do get firmware updates for N95, unlike me, not getting firmware updates for my E70.

if the Symbian just removes all my contacts
It does not, as long as you back up your personal data before a firmware upgrade or a hard reset. Haven't bothered to back up? Do not complain then.

loose all my paid ovi apps, loose all my N-Gage and Java paid apps?
Can't comment that, the first thing I do to a phone is delete all the "application store apps" and everything that looks even remotely like adware.

What happend with my Symbian s60 v3.1 phone?
Nothing did, most likely.

AppManager simply stopped working. Because AppManager simply put the message "Out of memory" whenever I pressed the Options left key (where is the menu to configure or remove the app)
This is most likely caused by config files corruption due to too many application installs/removals or failed installs. Ever turned your phone off while it was installing an application? That would cause such a problem. The solution is rather simple though:

1. Back up your personal data
2. Dial *#7370#
3. The phone will reboot, resetting all the configuration.

I re-installed the same firmaware I had on my N95 8G NAM (V 11.2.011 of 01-04-2008) because NO NEW firmware was vailable in more than an year and half. Keep in mind, this was the flagship Nokia phone before N97 comed out last month. So in one year and half, Nokia did not create any update on its flagship phone...
And what does it tell us? Let us call Captain Obvious to the rescue, should we? The good captain is saying that N95 is no longer the flagship device, N97 is! Ah, the horror! The suffering! Shouldn't have bought that "flagship device", should you?

Ok, I updated the phone with that firmware and surprise: all the contacts are lost, all the paid apps are lost. Thank you, Symbian and Nokia!
No backup - no personal data after upgrade or hard reset. Now you know.

For $700 you can buy 2 nice NetBooks, which do have service packs and nice OS update without loosing your contacts and paid apps.
Will you use both netbooks to call, one for each ear? =)

Or you can buy anything else in the phone market: iPhone, Pre, Google Android phones, which will not destroy everything on your phone during a simply PS patch installation.
Then why not buy one of these and go complain to an appropriate iPhone/Pre/Android forum?

Why the flagship phone Nokia N95 8G ($700) cannot get an upgrade from s60 v3.1 to s60 v3.2?
Because it is no longer the flagship phone. It is just an aging piece of silicon junk. Just like most other gadgets, including old iPods, the original iPhone, etc. You should have bought a cheaper and more practical phone, such as Nokia E51 for example, still going strong.

Why is deleting all the contacts and paid applications (which ovi don't let me install again, I have to pay once again) when you install a OS patch?
Backup your contacts. Do not buy crappy apps.

This is how Nokia and Symbian treats its customers? Be aware!
Ah, I guess we are all well aware here... But thanks for a helpful reminder.
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2009-07-07 , 18:47
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And I want to add a thing to what fms just said: I saw the same problem on the same phone... guess what, somebody loaded apps filled with crap just obtained from a peer2peer circuit...
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2009-07-07 , 19:12
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Originally Posted by fms View Post
You do get firmware updates for N95, unlike me, not getting firmware updates for my E70.
As I wrote, there is no firmware update for my model of N95 8G NAM.
The only firmware available (V 11.2.011 of 01-04-2008) is the one which I had on my phone.
NO NEW firmware was avilable for N95 8G NAM in more then an year and half.

Originally Posted by fms View Post
This is most likely caused by config files corruption due to too many application installs/removals or failed installs. Ever turned your phone off while it was installing an application? That would cause such a problem.
Never turned off the phone during a installation.


But the basic thing is: It is unexpected that any OS to be just simply destroyed by a failed installation.

What is so complicated about installed applications on Symbian?

In windows there is a database registry for COM applications or the manifest files that come with each .net or java application, or just the ControlPanel Add/Remove database for simpler executables.

Did the developers of Symbian OS ever read about transactional updates of DB?

If an app installation failed, it is just simple: no record of that app should be made in the system tracking apps.

Why is so hard on Symbian to have this right?


So your point is that if an applications fails to install, the solution on Symbian OS is to go and backup all your contacts and data, reset the phone, and then anyway loose some of the applications installed?

This is just a nightmare! Not an OS!

And why the backup is not done automatically during the upgrade process?

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2009-07-07 , 19:18
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Originally Posted by fms View Post
<Yawn>, let us hear this sad, sad story...

This is most likely caused by config files corruption due to too many application installs/removals or failed installs.
"Too many application installs..."

What is the limit on the number of applications I can install on Symbian?


3?
10?
What about 15? Can I try to install 15 applications, or it is too much for the old OS?
 
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2009-07-07 , 19:21
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Originally Posted by JustNick View Post
And I want to add a thing to what fms just said: I saw the same problem on the same phone... guess what, somebody loaded apps filled with crap just obtained from a peer2peer circuit...
Faber est suae quisque fortunae
Nope, never did that. Ever heard about ovi store? - I paid for some of the apps I just lost.
 
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2009-07-07 , 19:26
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Originally Posted by Architengi View Post
As I wrote, there is no firmware update for my model of N95 8G NAM.
The latest firmware for N95 NAM, as reported on the Net, is v20.2.011. You have got v11. Please, check your facts before complaining. Especially if you complain to people who are not obligated to help you.

But the basic thing is: It is unexpected that any OS to be just simply destroyed by a failed installation.
Your OS is not being destroyed by a failed installation. Your application manager may have become confused a little bit though.

In windows there is a database registry for COM applications or the manifest files that come with each .net or java application, or just the ControlPanel Add/Remove database for simpler executables.
Windows Installer also tends to screw up every now and then. When this happens, the only way to resolve things is to fix the registry by hand.

Did symbian developers ever read about transactional updates of DB? If an app installation failed, it is just simple: no record of that app should be made in the system tracking apps. Why is so hard on Symbian to have this right?
Sorry, but whom are you talking to? Please, check carefully which forum you are in.

So your point is that if an applications fails to install, the solution on Symbian OS is to go and backup all your contacts and data, reset the phone, and then anyway loose some of the applications installed?
No. My point is that if your application manager starts misbehaving, you should try resetting your phone, and backup your personal data in advance.

This is just a nightmare! Not an OS!
Everything is a nightmare for a person not able to handle reality calmly and logically.
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2009-07-07 , 19:26
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This thread would probably fit better in the Off-Topic forum and likely even better still in a Symbian forum.
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2009-07-07 , 19:28
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Originally Posted by Architengi View Post
Nope, never did that. Ever heard about ovi store? - I paid for some of the apps I just lost.
Never said you did, I was just reporting my personal experience with a friend's phone
Unfortunately **** can happen, so it is best to always backup relevant data...
About the apps' installations/removals: you can have as many apps as you like, but on every OS (doesn't matter if on an embedded device or a PC) when you "change their status" (mostly when uninstalling) they leave small "traces", and sometimes these "traces" could cause major malfuncions
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Architengi is offline Architengi
2009-07-07 , 19:34
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I like Nokia hardware, and my next device would be N900.

I want to know about the upgrade experience on N810. How many firmware updates did you have since N810 was released?

How is Nokia updater software for NIT?

How easy is to install/remove an application - do you have a sort of "Control Panel Add/Remove App" or like "AppManager" in Symbian?

What is the compatibility between Maemo OS versions because the compatibility of Symbian OS versions is simply awful?
 
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2009-07-07 , 19:41
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Originally Posted by fms View Post
No. My point is that if your application manager starts misbehaving, you should try resetting your phone, and backup your personal data in advance.
App Manager started misbehaving. The solution with reset the device or upgrade the firmware is the user will loose some (many) applications. Is this normal? Is this an ok solution?

Never seen Control Panel Add/Remove Apps to stop working and I program windows and unix for more than 16 years after my faculty graduation.
 
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