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2009-07-28 , 19:55
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lacking software? please tell me exactly what software your missing...

btw, iphone has a media presence bar none. hell, apple in general seems to be everywhere in the tech media these days. only google and microsoft is more talked about, and only google is in similarly positive light (mostly when there is a issue with app store or itms its brushed of as being related to at&t or the labels/studios, not apple).
On Android? Maybe they're lacking those fart and boob wobbling apps

I don't know, I was just making a comment of iTunes' 62,000 apps versus Android's... 5000? 6000 now?
 
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http://gigaom.com/2009/07/15/the-dir...les-app-store/
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Originally Posted by tso View Post
lacking software? please tell me exactly what software your missing...
Something that actually used the N810 camera... and was updated in the last 18+ months.

How about this...

An updated Skype. An updated Evince. An updated Fring. An updated Xournal. An updated Gizmo Project. An updated MPlayer. An updated Modest. An updated browser that's not Tear. An updated Flash Player. Hell, any updated, non-community set of apps that have been updated in the last year. All I've seen updated that I use... Yellow Notes, Mauku and Dial Central. Which... I'm very happy to have updated.

But almost all Diablo apps have largely not been updated since December of 2007 - about a month after the N810 came out, if not by Q3 of 2008 - not even a year after it came out.

It's almost a year later even after that... what updates or high profile software come out lately? In fact, when was the last update for Canola?

There is a lot of missing software in terms of something coming out that's worth it. I'd love to see a list just to compare since I'm in the minority of wanting more apps.

btw, iphone has a media presence bar none. hell, apple in general seems to be everywhere in the tech media these days. only google and microsoft is more talked about, and only google is in similarly positive light (mostly when there is a issue with app store or itms its brushed of as being related to at&t or the labels/studios, not apple).
Buy a phone, have it activated at the Apple or AT&T store. Sign up for iTunes Store via the iPhone... and you'll never need to use the iTunes on your computer... other than to backup. I've never purchased through the computer, just use my iTunes to back up the phone.
 

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i would say everyone is on hold for fremantle and/or mer right now...
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Originally Posted by tso View Post
http://gigaom.com/2009/07/15/the-dir...les-app-store/
Ok, fair point. We should discount Apple's official number of 65,000 (?), which I should add, is still a fair way to count these as 'individual apps'... to 25,000(?) of apps that are not based on templates?
That is still a significant amount of apps created for a new platform in 1 year (!!)

Anyhoo, my point is that the macro engineering of a platform's ecosystem (financial, social) is much more important than the micro (most often technical) aspect of it.
 
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The first one is opensource vs closed source, which refers to the (source) code licensing schemes. But I don't know about linux anymore these days. They're incorporating more and more non gpl stuffs for practicaility, no? I know the % is still very small, but still.

The second one (ms vs apple) would have to do with the licensing agreement of (both closed sourced commercial) operating systems and business model of Microsoft's Windows vs Apple's OSX... where Microsoft sells the windows OS to be run on any of its (technically) supported hardware, and Apple ties the sales of OSX to an 'apple branded hardware', correct?

For someone making business decisions (heads of software developer companies), the above factors should (generally) have lesser priority than where the optimal potential income lies, no? It is, after all, a business enterprise. I think Apple has hit a home run with its AppStore's software distribution model, giving great benefit to the users, the developers and right in the middle, to themselves.

I believe they will be trying to put all their other platforms through something similar (selling apps for their desktop and notebooks through iTunes?? And defintely their future tablet product) and other competing companies will try to replicate it also.
It's the second model that matters more than the first matter (most developers and consumers don't care if it's open source or what not). But yes, you got what I said about the second type of openness, licensing of their operating system. As for the rest of your paragraph, that's the thing, right now Apple's business model is working (partially because their competitors are still growing and haven't matured enough yet). But in the future, as say Android is adopted onto more phones (because I doubt Apple will license their portable OSX to whatever phones) the person making business decisions will see..

Hey I can make X amount of dollars selling to Y of Apple's iPhone market.

or

Hey I can make X amount of dollars selling to Y of (say Android or whatever)'s market.

And Android or whatever would have the bigger share of the market. And most companies will choose to target the bigger market. Kinda like how you see Windows versus Apple now. Though a growing number of programs are starting to have both Windows and OSX versions.
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They're maemo and MeeGo...

"Meamo!" sounds like what Zorro would say to catherine zeta jones... after she slaps him for looking at her dirtily...
 

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i would say everyone is on hold for fremantle and/or mer right now...
Quite funny that Windows with Windows 7 and Apple with 10.6 isn't experiencing the same issues. Only Maemo. Even Android hasn't seen this level of abandonment in what's an established OS to go forward to the upcoming OS.

Sure... the new one has Qt. The new one is a new name. The new one is based on a new CPU.

All f'n flawed. No backwards nothing - sorry, Mer ain't ready for primetime yet. Won't be for a while. I'm impressed with what's been done so far, but it's not for me yet.

Seriously, I'd wish some people would wake up and see how messed up things are. You all can't be all in that much mf'n denial or delusion. Sorry to come off as an asshat; however the lack of support now - I know already, it's DEAD - but maaaan, we're talking about epic fail in past upgrades, software.

Nokia can't even keep Skype onboard. And they paid for that port basically... and Skype needs whatever revenue they can get.
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Originally Posted by gerbick View Post
Quite funny that Windows with Windows 7 and Apple with 10.6 isn't experiencing the same issues. Only Maemo. Even Android hasn't seen this level of abandonment in what's an established OS to go forward to the upcoming OS.

Sure... the new one has Qt. The new one is a new name. The new one is based on a new CPU.

All f'n flawed. No backwards nothing - sorry, Mer ain't ready for primetime yet. Won't be for a while. I'm impressed with what's been done so far, but it's not for me yet.

Seriously, I'd wish some people would wake up and see how messed up things are. You all can't be all in that much mf'n denial or delusion. Sorry to come off as an asshat; however the lack of support now - I know already, it's DEAD - but maaaan, we're talking about epic fail in past upgrades, software.

Nokia can't even keep Skype onboard. And they paid for that port basically... and Skype needs whatever revenue they can get.
That's partially why I gave up on the future of the Nokia device (sadly). It has strong community support, but Nokia's support is kinda offputting.. I'm keeping my eye on Mer though =D. My idea is that I'll boot Mer off an SD later, and for the flash memory just run a bare bones Maemo 4.1 OS with minimal installation of programs (just essentials for my usage). My hope is that the tablet will last me long enough till smartphones drop enough in price and Android gets more established. Right now the only thing I'd really want from the tablet is maybe location aware applications. It does everything else I want to a decent enough level (not as fast as modern smartphones but hey, given its age it performs past my expectations). But that requires an active data and GPS connection. While I only turn on the GPS for navigation and I don't have an active data plan =P.
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They're maemo and MeeGo...

"Meamo!" sounds like what Zorro would say to catherine zeta jones... after she slaps him for looking at her dirtily...
 
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Quite funny that Windows with Windows 7 ... isn't experiencing the same issues.
Do you mean the issue with people waiting to purchase until the next version comes out? If that's what you mean, I think MS is experiencing that issue. MS has seen a big drop in profits, big drop in stock price recently.
 
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Do you mean the issue with people waiting to purchase until the next version comes out? If that's what you mean, I think MS is experiencing that issue. MS has seen a big drop in profits, big drop in stock price recently.
MS saw a drop in profits before leading into Win7 announcements/beta. The perception of the "Works in Vista" was the downfall. In fact, MS just saw its first decline in profits since it's inception some 35 years ago. Nokia can't say that.

What I'm talking about is the huge decline in ANY software announced, updated or coming out for the Nokia Maemo. Yet, there's no lack of software coming out for OS X and Windows... now is there?

That's what I mean. Can't see that anything has been updated or come out for this open source platform that's worth mentioning. Besides Tear 0.3.5 getting updated.
 
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