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2009-08-02
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#11
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Originally Posted by FRZ
Like the Notepad application
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2009-08-02
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#12
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how about DSP (sound?) stuff then?
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2009-08-02
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#13
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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles
Whether they are made up or not your statement implies you know the correct statistics. Are you privy to this info?
Woo! Even more made up statistics!
Are you an employee of Nokia who's job it is to count lines of code?
Why don't you share the true statistics with this community?
Are you sworn to secrecy?
If you are privy to this kind of information (code), are you helping slonopotamus with his outstanding effort?
GA: If you feel the need to respond to these questions raised by your off topic responses in this thread, please do so in a new thread. Other members may have more questions for you to answer.
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Slonopotamus, I wish you great success with this endeavor and thank you for this contribution to our community.
Originally Posted by slonopotamus
What help I'm asking for: search and post here closed software that you want to be rewritten (no GUI or firmware stuff, please). If you have spare time, dissasemble/strace/debug/whatever those binaries and document their behaviour as much as you can.
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2009-08-02
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Originally Posted by YoDude
Actually, take a look at https://garage.maemo.org/docman/view...s-20080716.ods - old but fairly accurate. It states what packages are OSS, what aren't, etc.
Whether they are made up or not your statement implies you know the correct statistics. Are you privy to this info?
Are you an employee of Nokia who's job it is to count lines of code?
Why don't you share the true statistics with this community?
Are you sworn to secrecy?
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2009-08-02
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#15
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Originally Posted by Stskeeps
Thanks Stskeeps
Actually, take a look at https://garage.maemo.org/docman/view...s-20080716.ods - old but fairly accurate. It states what packages are OSS, what aren't, etc.
... this^ info is could have been provided by GA in support of his statement. This whole argument has munged up a very positive thread on this board.
I often think that derailing a thread is the purpose of these side discussions over the precise quanities of (insert label of extranious BS)...
I repeat...
Slonopotamus, I wish you great success with this endeavor and thank you for this contribution to our community.
Originally Posted by slonopotamus
What help I'm asking for: search and post here closed software that you want to be rewritten (no GUI or firmware stuff, please). If you have spare time, dissasemble/strace/debug/whatever those binaries and document their behaviour as much as you can.
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2009-08-02
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Originally Posted by Stskeeps
Thanks!
Actually, take a look at https://garage.maemo.org/docman/view...s-20080716.ods - old but fairly accurate.
I would say it's current, the date in the filename puts this firmly in Diablo's timeframe.
The list of packages looks like from the SDK (it includes compilers and such but not most user apps) but not quite - it does include some statusbar & control panel applets not available in scratchbox for example.
Summing up the columns shows 93 "Nokia-closed" & 2 "3rd party" out of 286 total packages, which would be at least 33% closed (some of the "OSS modified" packages, like libjpeg or libosso-gsf are also closed).
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2009-08-02
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Originally Posted by lma
Agreed, but a lot of this is open now
Summing up the columns shows 93 "Nokia-closed" & 2 "3rd party" out of 286 total packages, which would be at least 33% closed (some of the "OSS modified" packages, like libjpeg or libosso-gsf are also closed).
To the argument about what packages you need to make the N8x0 fully functional in terms of HW interfacing (before the Jazelle, 3d driver etc arguments appear: this is for the amount of HW support that users get when they install Diablo.)wlan-firmware (i know this is just a symlink to initfs)
bt-firmware (same)
gstreamer0.10-hantro
gpsdriver
hald-addon-bme (we have a open version of this now)
dsme (more specifically libcal, CAL access + format)
Osso-dsp-modules-rx-44 - ti
initfs (BME, wlan-cal, bt-cal, etc)
Which is 7.3% of closed source software to get the N8x0 fully functional with regards to HW interfacing - hardly 90%
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2009-08-02
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Originally Posted by Stskeeps
So I was wrong darn it but, close enough.
Agreed, but a lot of this is open now
wlan-firmware (i know this is just a symlink to initfs)
bt-firmware (same)
gstreamer0.10-hantro
gpsdriver
hald-addon-bme (we have a open version of this now)
dsme (more specifically libcal, CAL access + format)
Osso-dsp-modules-rx-44 - ti
initfs (BME, wlan-cal, bt-cal, etc)
Which is 7.3% of closed source software to get the N8x0 fully functional with regards to HW interfacing - hardly 90%
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Palmtx, N810 dual booting Maemo4 to sd and Mer0.15
Palmtx, N810 dual booting Maemo4 to sd and Mer0.15
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2009-08-02
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Originally Posted by Stskeeps
These two are very unlikely, they require deep understanding of hw internals.
wlan-firmware (i know this is just a symlink to initfs)
bt-firmware (same)
Originally Posted by Stskeeps
What's this and why we need it?
gstreamer0.10-hantro
Originally Posted by Stskeeps
No way, unless someone gives me N810 (N800 here).
gpsdriver
Originally Posted by Stskeeps
Well, if we have, this can be put out from list.
hald-addon-bme (we have a open version of this now)
Originally Posted by Stskeeps
I'm working on it currently. Alreay have readonly access.
dsme (more specifically libcal, CAL access + format)
Originally Posted by Stskeeps
Problematic, they only provide x86 toolchain.
Osso-dsp-modules-rx-44 - ti
Originally Posted by Stskeeps
Could you list this in more detail?I wrote wlan-cal and cal-tool analogues. bt-cal should be simple, I put it on my list. BME is a separate beast (planned, though). Anything more?
initfs (BME, wlan-cal, bt-cal, etc)
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2009-08-02
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gstreamer0.10-hantro is the proprietary video encoding codec. I think it might use the DSP, but I'm not sure (it's closed )
http://www.on2.com/index.php?319
)http://www.on2.com/index.php?319
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