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2009-08-06
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Originally Posted by sunwong
Dunno about a few nostalgics, but around these parts of the world Nokia is everywhere you look. And 5800 is pretty popular too, due to its relatively low price, while iPhone is struggling.
Only a few nostalgics resist to the evidence and carry a poor 5800XM, and feel ashamed when asked about its ease of use....
PS: I did not find 5800 difficult to use. Are you sure we are talking about the same phone?
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2009-08-06
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Originally Posted by mullf
FOUND IT.
Where did you hear/read this? Do you know where I can find some more info?
Epigenetics,
research about learned behaviour being inherited by the way genes are expressed, e.g. being switched on or off.
From the homepage of the Swedish Radio : (Quick & dirty translation)
Mouse kids are different, according to their mother's childhood.
A stimulating childhood not only influences the brain positively during adolescence. Influences of such stimulus are also inherited by the next generation, at least with mice, as reported by American scientists in the Neuroscience magazine.
Mice inherit their mother's good childhood.
( The study is about mice with a genetically induced defect in memory, some of which had a very stimulated upbringing which increased their memory capacity. The next generation, regardless of if they had been given to foster mothers, showed an improved memory capacity if their biological mothers had had a stimulated childhood.)
Per Jensen, professor in epigenetics at the university of Linköping, Sweden : (translated)
" Earlier studies, also in Sweden, mostly about the disposition towards illness, have shown similar epigenetic patterns of inheritance with humans. ---"
Source:
The Journal of Neuroscience. 2009 4/2 1496-1502. ”Transgenerational Rescue of a Genetic Defect in Long-Term Potentiation and Memory Formation by Juvenile Enrichment.” doi: 10.1523/JNEUROSCI.5057-08.2009
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2009-08-06
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#134
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There have been various studies over the last few years...
Why do some people seem predisposed to be sons of sons of sailors?... Or, coblers, police officers, butchers, bakers, etc...
Why do some people seem predisposed to be sons of sons of sailors?... Or, coblers, police officers, butchers, bakers, etc...
A British Biologist by the name of Rupert Sheldrake proposed that every living organism has an undetectable field around it (called "Morphic fields") that assimilates actions and then passes them on through that Morphic field to their next generation. This was more of a supernatural stance on what many scientists thought was a natural process of "memories" being planted into the DNA structure of every living being. The only difference is that Sheldrake argued that DNA was too uniform and that variances in our physical attributes, things we do, and so on, could only be formed through a more mysterious way. With that, he created a theoretical concept that couldn't be proven because nobody could see it with the naked eye or with a microscope.
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2009-08-06
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#135
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Originally Posted by fms
Apparently 5800 is one of Nokia's best-ever selling devices, so it is hardly a failure.
Dunno about a few nostalgics, but around these parts of the world Nokia is everywhere you look. And 5800 is pretty popular too, due to its relatively low price, while iPhone is struggling.
PS: I did not find 5800 difficult to use. Are you sure we are talking about the same phone?
I think the issue isn't really with ease of use, more with pleasantness of use where devices with more modern OS, like iPhone or Pre lead S60.
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2009-08-06
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#136
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@sunwong: thx for the description. so what phone(s) did you compare the 5800 with and whether you settled with a different phone in the end?
@YoDude: Doesn't it have to do more with the psychological and social environment of the person's upbringing? (Say, if it's a boy
Having his dad as a template of a 'man', seeing pictures of his dad in uniform in the living room every day, maybe his education 'path' was also biased by the dad's' predisposition of being more familiar of his current profession, and when it comes time to get a job maybe it'd be easier for him getting accepted in the same profession as his dad because he's paved the way already (know the people there, etc).
@bergie: where in that article does it mention any number of claims to that effect? This is all i could find:
@YoDude: Doesn't it have to do more with the psychological and social environment of the person's upbringing? (Say, if it's a boy
Having his dad as a template of a 'man', seeing pictures of his dad in uniform in the living room every day, maybe his education 'path' was also biased by the dad's' predisposition of being more familiar of his current profession, and when it comes time to get a job maybe it'd be easier for him getting accepted in the same profession as his dad because he's paved the way already (know the people there, etc).@bergie: where in that article does it mention any number of claims to that effect? This is all i could find:
“It has the potential to become our most successful device ever. We estimate that this smartphone alone accounts for around 20 per cent of all touch screen devices sold worldwide. It offers unique value for those who want to experience their music on the move, particularly when combined with our innovative Comes With Music service.”
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2009-08-06
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Originally Posted by bergie
I am not getting this "modern OS" thing. iPhone is based on Darwin, based on BSD. Pre is apparently based on Linux. Both OSes are pretty old, certainly not much younger than Symbian. Nor is Symbian any worse than these OSes. In fact, Symbian may even be better in many aspects.
I think the issue isn't really with ease of use, more with pleasantness of use where devices with more modern OS, like iPhone or Pre lead S60.
If by "modern OS" you mean slick, responsive UI, it has nothing to do with the OS. It only has to do with employing people willing to look at the whole thing from a different angle and act accordingly. Yes, it does look like Nokia S60 software division is short on such people, or does not let them do their thing.
Having said that, 5800's S60e5 touch UI is pretty responsive, if not slick or revolutionary. S60e5 does its job pretty well and that is exactly what most non-Macoid people care about.
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2009-08-06
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#138
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So.. UI is not part of the OS..
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2009-08-06
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Originally Posted by YoDude
It's very easy to mix correlation with causality in such studies. Being a sailor or pilot is not hereditary. A lot of abilities that make one excel at sea or in the air, however, are.
There have been various studies over the last few years...
Why do some people seem predisposed to be sons of sons of sailors?... Or, coblers, police officers, butchers, bakers, etc...
A (professionally skewed and quite materialistic) interpretation of the DNA story - our (and every living being's) DNA acts as a collection of algorithms. The input against which our 'algorithms' are tested directly or indirectly is our very own environment. Some of the implementing code is new, some ancient and patchy, maybe redundant, some more robust, some is buggy and error prone. Just as we know there is no 'perfect' algorithm in computer sciences, there is no perfect DNA in nature. Some algorithms work only with certain premises, some are restrictive in that regard, some are not, some are quicker, some slower, more or less complex, etc, etc. However, you can only compare each only to ANOTHER one (under varying datasets -> environmental conditions) but there is no 'absolute', maybe another, vastly superior one is just around the corner.
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2009-08-06
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Originally Posted by ysss
Not in good design practice.
So.. UI is not part of the OS..
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To answer your question: I'd say that It is right that there is people that bought the n97 and are happy with it, because It feels high quality and Its design is beautiful, but I am pretty confident that noone that has a moderate or heavy usage pattern of any current S60 5th phone will be happy with the outcome. Casual users will be happy, but that's it. AND, few "casual" users will be eager to spend such an amount in a mobile phone anyway...
As an example, I am not any extreme user, I have only 3-4 apps installed on my 5800XM and my usage pattern would be moderate, IMO... Not that many photos, not that many music, not that many maps, not that many favourites, but I use almost every bit of functionality on a daily basis (well, except gaming which is impossible since n95 8gb days on a nokia), do you know what I mean...?
Based on all above, my veredict for my phone is:
1.- The phone is not hardware-wise equipped to cope with what was advertised to me. Serious hiccups, freezes, slowdowns everywhere (same applies to n97)
2.- The supposedly "new" OS (5th ed.) is inconsistent and unproductive, its UI seriously crippled by wrong design principles and a clear lack of basic usability concepts that all us developers know.
3.- No, a fancy homescreen will not make it better, thanks Nokia.
That rumoured Maemo lead device will be crucial to Nokia's future, IMHO. Let's wait and see...