@fms:

Yes It may be popular, It also is here but only since It is being offered almost for free on 24 month contracts and such..

Having said that, my point is not that 5800 or any other s60 5th is difficult to use, but awkward to say the least in many ocassions, i.e.: scrolling is inconsistent (upside down or downside up, depending on context), as is executing or activating (one or two clicks depending on where you are doing it).

With such flaws, or design principles, If it were not that we are talking about s60, I bet we would be laughing out loud at the developers of the OS... and I mean <b>loud</b>

As for responsiveness, I strongly disagree. The OS is not responsive to my taste, and this is not in comparison with any other thing or OS. It is just not responsive whenever you demand, a couple of heavy tasks, say, Maps and Internet. Yesterday I was looking for directions at Maps, with my picture gallery in the background. Suddenly the phone went to homescreen itself and froze for 3-4 seconds. Then, an incoming call appeared and (most funny of all) the phone began ringing with the default tone instead of the .mp3 I have configured, and after a couple of seconds the nokia tone began to sound slow-mo... Yeah, very responsive...

Regarding UI, I agree Texrat, by design It is separated, BUT.... As my own customers say, I ASSUME that things will work, and I EXPECT that the visuals are beautiful, and present the information resulting accordingly... The UI is the face of the OS, and an important part of its success or failure. We are talking about consumer oriented OS's here, not the VMS from the 80's

<quote>"If by "modern OS" you mean slick, responsive UI, it has nothing to do with the OS"</quote>

Oh well.... Let's go back to VMS or DOS then, It doesn't matter as long as It works, does it?....

I don't disagree with your thoughts on UI/OS, sunwong. I was actually being a little flippant.

Yes, I figured so

BTW Texrat, any news on that supa-dupa lead device that will blow all our minds away and beyond?

I'm not in a position to know any more. All I know is that the predictions of a July launch in Asia were hot air.

Looks like Nokia has pissed off yet another sizeable market
http://niacblog.wordpress.com/2009/0...lash-to-nokia/

You can't deny that the company has a certain flair when it comes to customer relations.

Pity...

...And I suppose that if anyone would tell me, they would have to kill me afterwards...

Hope the finnish are preparing something BIG, got some money to burn and almost no more patience, my 5800 was just a temporary acquisition!!!

This has been hashed over in another thread, and it's not a Nokia issue but rather an NSN issue.

The idiotic thing about controversy here is that while the network systems from NSN do allow (as any similar system) monitoring of calls, Nokia (and other) phones using that network allowed citizens to reveal what was going on in that country.

So I smell Iranian government propaganda here.

That government is looking for any/all scapegoats right now.

Regardless... what kills me is that it seems that there are people that just seemingly love S60 as it stands and complaints about the UI are defended - in regards to the prior modern OS/UI argument - to the death (hyperbole); but even that is about to change something fierce just for Qt to fit in Symbian... so that alone tells me that the UI isn't the strong point right now for those devices.

I've used an N97. It has a very nice UI, but it's very inconsistent. And honestly, it looks rather dated. Utilitarian even. The 5800 will not persuade me against the iPhone or any other HTC SenseFlo enabled Android phone either.

Very technical people tend to center around the bits that... well, are visually pleasing to people. Going by the stereotypes, Linux users have epic hate for Flash. Linux users love the black and white terminal, yet shun UI's that are considered flashy and "pretty". Sure, that's going to open the door for people to talk about how the iPhone is all flash/fashion... but it's based on the BSD kernel. Pre has Linux under it. Lord people, embrace the fact that the UI does indeed make or break the item. And an inconsistent UI has no excuses in this day and age.

And looking at the prior Linux based handhelds, OpenMoko, et al... the user interface is part of the OS and it enhances the OS stability below.

But as a programmer that also has a design degree; I would never let any group of programmers and/or engineers develop the UI nor ergonomics of an UI. Over-complicated UI's don't belong on something as simple as a phone.

Make it simple, it might become mainstream.

And there seems to be some sort of animosity to having commercial success or being 'mainstream'.

Sorry I missed that, so it was news to me.