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2009-08-26 , 17:23
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As Quim said just previously: "Sorry but do you mind specifying your sources? In our communication we are always clear that Maemo focuses on touchscreen devices that fit in your pocket."

Which vertical OS are you referring to? Has Nokia ever said that for instance Maemo would be a vertical OS?
Just to return to this for a moment. I knew I wasn't hallucinating, ran across this when searching for some specs:


Intel and Nokia Announce Strategic Relationship to Shape Next Era of Mobile Computing Innovation

SANTA CLARA, CALIF., and ESPOO, FINLAND, June 23, 2009 – Further uniting the Internet with mobile phones and computers, Intel Corporation and Nokia today announced a long-term relationship to develop a new class of Intel® Architecture-based mobile computing device and chipset architectures which will combine the performance of powerful computers with high-bandwidth mobile broadband communications and ubiquitous Internet connectivity.

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The effort also includes technology development and cooperation in several open source software initiatives in order to develop common technologies for use in the Moblin and Maemo platform projects, which will deliver Linux-based operating systems for these future mobile computing devices.
I understand 'new class' might mean something different, but that's the price of vague statements - people can and will misinterpret them.
 
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2009-08-26 , 17:50
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I really don't see the point of putting a 3G chip in a netbook; isn't tethering a reasonable way to get mobile data to the netbook? And it isn't like people are going to use the netbooks like phones; if they did, we'd see everyone using VoIP apps from their laptops in the cafe. But they don't, they use their phone to talk.

I'm dreaming into the distant future, of course, but it seems to me the best solution for form factor issues is to have a "netbook" that is just a docking station for your handheld device. It has a big screen, a big keyboard, some extra expansion ports and a big battery, but that's about it. You have to snap in your handheld to actually use it. Your handheld is the "brains" of the netbook.

You would need a headset for this, because if you get a call while your handheld is docked, it will be awkward to yank it out and hold it to your ear.
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2009-08-26 , 17:55
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@qole: Around here in the emerging markets, rarely you get a phone with an unlimited data plan. You have to add the unlimited at a hefty cost. However, you can buy a separate SIM with unlimited data, which comes in a generic 3G module which is connected to the PC through USB and used as a modem.

So this way you could skip the USB module and just insert the SIM in the netbook.
 
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2009-08-26 , 17:58
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2009-08-26 , 18:07
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2009-08-26 , 18:11
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Originally Posted by mrojas View Post
@qole: Around here in the emerging markets, rarely you get a phone with an unlimited data plan. You have to add the unlimited at a hefty cost. However, you can buy a separate SIM with unlimited data, which comes in a generic 3G module which is connected to the PC through USB and used as a modem.

So this way you could skip the USB module and just insert the SIM in the netbook.
So it is cheaper to have two SIMs than to have one?!
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2009-08-26 , 18:23
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Originally Posted by qole View Post
So it is cheaper to have two SIMs than to have one?!
Pretty much. Just so you see how effed up carriers can be in the good ol' developing world.

Edit: When I got my E71 (more than 6 months ago) I researched the prices, they may have changed by now, but then they were:

$30 for a paid voice plan, which includes 50 SMS, 100 minutes of free calls. Above that, you get charged. (this is my current plan).
$45 to add unlimited data to my plan (unlimited, of course, is actually limited to 1Gb).
$29 for the USB 3G module with SIM with the unlimited data plan (1Gb applies too). Voice calls can't be made through the SIM (I tried!)

3G speeds are around 100-200 Kb/s, sometimes and very rarely, 400 Kb/s, with constant and full coverage in the main cities and outskirts. If there is something people don't complain about here, is the quality and extension of the cell network coverage.
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2009-08-26 , 18:29
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2009-08-26 , 18:39
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mrojas: That's totally crazy. I can't see that pricing structure remaining that way for much longer, as new and powerful devices with voice and data capabilities come out.
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mrojas: That's totally crazy. I can't see that pricing structure remaining that way for much longer, as new and powerful devices with voice and data capabilities come out.
The 5800 Xpress Music (that arrived here last month) came with a $60 voice and unlimited data plan. I think the unlimited came thanks to some influence from Nokia: we got bombarded with ads (similar to what happened with the N95) showing the good graces of the 5800, 3G and "Internet everywhere". Regular TV, radio, and billboard Nokia ads are not rare at all, with Nokia even organizing concerts, parties, etc Nokia is seen here as the herald of progress and new technologies: the iPhone arrived very late, after lots of power users had the N95 already, and got nicknamed as the "phone for fags", "real men use Nokia", etc

I didn't grab the 5800 because the carrier wouldn't allow me to transfer my number to the new chip (...), but a friend did. It came with the first firmware, and carrier locked on top of that. Obviously, I hacked it and upgraded it.

Before the 5800, unlimited data plans were available only to Blackberries, and only if you were buying them throuch a corporate contract (a regular guy couldn't buy them).

The competing carrier also announced last month the iPhone and E71, to go alongside the Blackberrries in the corporate portfolio, and available too to regular users. My corporation let people chose between those, and most guys in Engineering went with the E71 and most sales guys with the iPhone (the iPhone being twice the price of the E71). Off course, eventually I had to hack/unlock the E71's and jailbreak the iPhones...
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