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Can Nokia be #1 in USA market with Maemo smartphones?

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2009-09-04 , 22:21
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#51
Originally Posted by matthewcc View Post
Maybe I misunderstand your statement.

The assumption to the scenario is the a carrier re-sell a branded version phone X. They "cripple" said phone and add a 350$ subsidy. At the same time the phone manufacture sells phone X direct to consumers unsubsidized and "un-crippled"

The consumer now has a choice:
- Buy the phone from the carrier
- Buy the phone from the manufacturer.

There is a trade off $$ vs. functionality.

In the market scenario the consumer gets to choose what to buy. That is what a market is.

Now the iPhone, thats a bit different, that is a monopoly approach - thats a monopoly. if you want the hardware you deal with the consequence. Apple even one up'd that model by making the iphone a content delivery platform where you can only buy content from one location.

Let me say this a different way BMW is offering to sell you a car, so is Exxon-Mobile. In fact both BMW and Ex-M are offering to sell you the same car with a few differences.

The Ex-M car can only run on Ex-m fuel, and has a limiter on it that will not let you go over 85mph, its also 1/3rd the price of the BMW.

Now you can pick the Car that is 1/3rd the cost, but you cannot take advantage of the vehicle to its fullest extent, and you need to run on Ex-M, or you can pick the car that is relativity 3 times the cost, you can run on any fuel, and can go 100mph

You get to pick. Now as we are all on this site, we are the purists who want to drive balls to the wall pushing are cars to see how fast we can go and how quick we can corner. We will pick the unlocked one.

BUT the rest of the world... they don't care as much..

85 is fast enough, they are ok with Ex-M gas and if they never get to corner at 100mph... they can live with that.

Nokia needs to accommodate both user types and can...

Now if they could just figure out a universal radio on these puppies...
Nokia is one of biggest mobile producer in the world.... so i assume they know the differences. The only reason they may not have agreed to the carriers in the US is that they don't want their higher end devices crippled. If the 5800 was subsidised in the US i bet it would sell more than the iphone because it is way cheaper. Same goes with n95-8gb, hell even the n97 would have sold a lot.... but i think nokia is really pushing for a free market even at the expense of losing market share.
 

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#52
Originally Posted by sachin007 View Post
i think nokia is really pushing for a free market even at the expense of losing market share.
As much as I appreciate that sentiment, but Nokia is a publicly traded company and in they are compelled to maximize profit. I don't know if loosing market share is an option. over the past two years nokia has lost more than half its value and relative to the market is under performing. The NEED a big win, or series of wins. If this means letting the mass market buy a castrated version of their phone, let them have it.

Phones are becoming more more application platforms. The ovi store (like the iTunes/app store) is a content delivery system that 'guarantees' that the content has been certified and will work successfully on the device. It also creates an easy to use marketplace for content providers to sell their content. for this service, ovi takes a cut. (Just like e-bay).

With this in mind, nokia would be well off to get thier phones into the hands of the dull masses just to build enough of a market for developers to be willing to create content for.

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Originally Posted by Architengi View Post
Nokia said they want to gain share in USA market, the biggest world market.

At the present, the most cellphone use:
1-Asia ,2- India, 3- Europe, 4- North America
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Originally Posted by kenny View Post
At the present, the most cellphone use:
1-Asia ,2- India, 3- Europe, 4- North America
Do you mean china? because india is in asia.
 
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#55
Originally Posted by sachin007 View Post
Nokia is one of biggest mobile producer in the world.... so i assume they know the differences. The only reason they may not have agreed to the carriers in the US is that they don't want their higher end devices crippled. If the 5800 was subsidised in the US i bet it would sell more than the iphone because it is way cheaper. Same goes with n95-8gb, hell even the n97 would have sold a lot.... but i think nokia is really pushing for a free market even at the expense of losing market share.
This is one dimensional thinking. It takes more than just lower price to make a product as appealing as Apple (or RIM's offering). A plain 'ol smartphone doesn't take what it takes to conquer the market, imho.

RIM has all the real-time enterprise messaging angle covered. They do their lock-ins one enterprise at a time.

And on the iPhone?
- iPod (yes, the media player on the iphone is called the ipod and gives 100% functionality of an ipod).
- AppStore
- iTunes (+Store) integration
- There's the brand thing
- Good design and functionality that appeals to the masses.
 
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Originally Posted by sachin007 View Post
Do you mean china? because india is in asia.
you're on point my friend.
 
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This is one dimensional thinking. It takes more than just lower price to make a product as appealing as Apple (or RIM's offering). A plain 'ol smartphone doesn't take what it takes to conquer the market, imho.

RIM has all the real-time enterprise messaging angle covered. They do their lock-ins one enterprise at a time.

And on the iPhone?
- iPod (yes, the media player on the iphone is called the ipod and gives 100% functionality of an ipod).
- AppStore
- iTunes (+Store) integration
- There's the brand thing
- Good design and functionality that appeals to the masses.
I agree that only the price doesnt sell a phone but infact it is a combination of many factors. I came to the US in 2006. I had a nokia 7710. At that time the US cell phones were very basic phones. I imagined that US being a very well developed country would have the state of the art mobiles. But boy was i wrong. The mobile phones offered in India were way advanced compared to the US at that time... thanks to nokia. Everyone in the US had the razr at that time and there was really no concept of smart phones in the general public. 90% of the users did not know that they could use the internet on thier mobile!

According to me the following are the success factors for the iphone in descending order:

1. Responsive touch screen.
2. Mobile internet - If the iphone did not force a data plan many of the americans would still not know that they could use the internet on the phone.
3. Apple - cool factor.
4. User interface.

At that time there was no app store so the app store did not really help in the iphone being popular initially.

Now if nokia would have released a nokia 5800 without the data plan at the same time for free with a 2 year contract... i think it would have been a bigger hit because it had all the features the iphone had and more but less intiutive and a cheaper look. Many would have brought it considering that it was free and did not need a data plan...

Since nokia never did that we really cannot know what would have happened. But if you see the success of the 5800 without being subsidised ..... you can only imagine how many units it would have sold.
 

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@sachin: oh, you're talking about the original iphone. Yes, I agree more with your points then. The original iphone was crap compared to what they've become now, with the AppStore and the coming 3rd party extensions\accessories.
 
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Actually i personally think if nokia released the 5800 free with a 2 year contract without data plan along with the iphone 3g... i am sure that the 5800 would have sold more phones. Now since nokia never did that we can never know....

The biggest advantage apple had with the appstore was that they had to support only one model and they started from scratch. Since it came late to the scene it had the advantage to choose the best way to the market. I also do agree that they innovated by implementing multi touch and thier biggest advantage was marketing.
Wheras nokia had to take a significant time to get the app store working because of the great diversity of the products. Even symbian has thousands of applications. Just that they did not have an appstore.
 
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@sachin: i don't think that was nokia's decision to make. I believe carriers can choose their level of subsidies based on their valuation of the product's market appeal and sales expectation.

Yeah, AppStore was something else. Apple could make that move largely because of (their experience and invested infrastructure on) the iTunes Store.
 
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