Yes, we're talking about the same thing. The freedom to share is one of the great things about libre software.

Nevertheless, SOMEONE needs to buy at least one copy before the sharing can start. In practice, there will be lots of circles of sharing, with lots of people buying early copies (just so that they can be the cool one amongst their friends, sharing all the latest software).

Suppose I've installed Maemo Mapper from a freebie, and one day a dialog box pops up saying "A new version has been released with extra features X, Y and Z. Do you want to (a) install it from Ovi for 99 cents, or (b) install a free copy from someone else later". Because I'm a cheapskate and a developer, I may choose option (b) but plenty of people will choose option (a).

Think of bottled water. You can get water essentially for free from a tap, yet there are shelves at the store full of bottled water being sold successfully for profit.

The Threshold Pledge System is also relevant to the development of free software.

Regards,
Roger

Libre ? Why would you need Ovi for libre software ? If you're libre, it's 'extras' material and you already have donation procedures under discussion for that. Extras is specially centralized and streamlined exactly to provide a streamless experience for users. You really need Ovi only for stuff that is either commercial or free as in beer.

Ever heard the Sveasoft story ? I'm sorry, but I simply fail to see this as a valid business model, the GPL is *designed* exactly to prevent such situations. The closest thing to that is stuff like RedHat, but even there, the point is in the service, not the box. So until I see those shelves (successfully) bearing loads of GPL-ed software allow me to be sceptical. In other words, I simply disagree

People don't buy bottled water because they think it's hip or support the 'cause' of water producers. They buy it because they *do* think it is different (healthier, more safe, etc) from tap water (whether that is true or not is a different story altogether).

Actually with Nokia going social, you could recommend an app to "friends" and have it pushed to them or send it via bluetooth. Either way, there could be an accounting system if one was put in place. Say let the Ovi Store app do the sending...

But they already are in the app manager. So why a "store"? Because everyone and his dog have one?

That the app manager might need some beautification loving is on a different set of cards, sur.

The joy of all of this is that everyone will get their wish. The people who want a easy to use, seamless experience with a central payment system will use that. People who want to go to the source or get software from your friends, or whatever can do that.

The social value of the store is the shared rating system. You get to find out other people opinions about 'cool' software without even having to know them to have them...

At the end of the day people will create their own stores, and the market will drive adoption based upon usefulness.

range, you are missing my point. I'm speaking from a branding point of view. The apps are all in one spot, and you don't have any separate app stores or delivery systems. This is what makes the iPhone somewhat simple to get apps for, and something I myself don't need, but it makes it easy for new users.

Most Nokia device users will be coming from S40 and S60, and want the Ovi Store. It has nothing to do with buying the app, because alot of the content in the Ovi Store is free anyway. I just think making the App Manager say "Ovi Store" just drives that point home. And some Maemo developers might want to charge money for their work, and that is fine, too.

Tell me this. What does it bother you or anyone else if the icon for App Manager is redrawn to say Ovi Store? If the apps are still mainly free, and the opportunity to possibly sell apps is added but not required, what difference will it make? None. But the advantage is letting new users know that Ovi is present to deliver 100% of the available apps for the platform, and it could never be a disadvantage to build a brand you've already spent money on.

Range, the "store" colloquialism is just that. What it really means is "get apps here!!" on every Nokia device. In the past, the "store" didn't have a complete collection, but Maemo's does, for the most part. I'm just saying call it Ovi and improve the perception of the brand and make a benchmark for the rest of the Nokia portfolio to build upon.

and what about country which nokia block OVI service there like whole middle east??
NOKIA sell many cellphone in middle east , and non of the costumers even get small support!!!!!
in my country samsung take the place of NOKIA,
down NOKIA...

The App Manager is just a front ent for a Linux distribution system, backed up with a complete development infrastructure (this would be the autobuilder). One of the greatest advantages of Maemo is exactly that the package management is not some made up standard, but something millions of Linux machines use. So, if you want to REPLACE that with Ovi, you might just as well throw half of Maemo (and the applications in extras) out the window.

There's at least one missing option. I for one don't like the ovi store concept to start with, and I would like an option to say that I don't want any of those apps via ovi store.