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freekyfrogy	2009-10-02 , 04:26
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So I have an n800, and I have loved messing with it by installing debian, etc. but I was wondering, will the n900 be as open as the n800 is/was? I would LOVE to hear that it was still open to the point where one could possibly install debian and integrate it's features as seamlessly as you can on the n800. I think the possible introduction of payed apps could add pressure to lock up the root from the average user, for fear of illegal distribution. I would hate to see maemo stray from it's open roots though (pardon the pun). Does anyone have any info or insights regarding this matter? Thanks =)

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	GeneralAntilles	2009-10-02 , 04:44
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Originally Posted by freekyfrogy

So I have an n800, and I have loved messing with it by installing debian, etc. but I was wondering, will the n900 be as open as the n800 is/was?

Significantly more open, actually.

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	qole	2009-10-02 , 05:32
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OpenOffice runs fairly well, although Gimp crashes when you touch the picture with a tool for some reason...

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sjgadsby	2009-10-02 , 11:04
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Originally Posted by freekyfrogy

I think the possible introduction of payed apps could add pressure to lock up the root from the average user...

Please see qgil's blog post, "Software freedom lovers: here comes Maemo 5".

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	zerojay	2009-10-02 , 11:15
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[Insert an "as open as your momma" joke here.]

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Bytales	2009-10-02 , 12:13
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Of course the announced switch to Qt will mean saying good bye to lots of well known tools. But hey, it’s all Free software in the end.

What does this mean, ? Does this mean maemo 6 is gonna be whole different platform ?

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	zerojay	2009-10-02 , 12:21
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Originally Posted by Bytales

Of course the announced switch to Qt will mean saying good bye to lots of well known tools. But hey, it’s all Free software in the end.

What does this mean, ? Does this mean maemo 6 is gonna be whole different platform ?

No, it doesn't. GTK will still be supported by the community.

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kanishou	2009-10-02 , 12:40
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Originally Posted by Bytales

Of course the announced switch to Qt will mean saying good bye to lots of well known tools. But hey, it’s all Free software in the end.

What does this mean, ? Does this mean maemo 6 is gonna be whole different platform ?

Somewhat. The argument is that "only" the toolkit changes, while the rest of the platform stays more or less unchanged. But of course Qt alone is a very big chunk of the platform a developer gets into contact with. You will still be able to use Gtk/Hildon though, as long as it gets properly maintained and updated by the community. How well such applications will integrate will depend primarily on the extend of the community effort, just as it is the case with Qt on Maemo 5.

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joenix	2009-10-02 , 13:02
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Following a discussion on Michael Lauer's blog, I've been having a look at the list of closed packages in the nokia-binaries repository and the N900 kernel source code.

The conclusion I've come to is that you need closed source binaries for at least the radio transmitter (fmtx-middleware), OpenGLES acceleration (libgles2), Nokia’s proprietary GUI/calendar/location/... components, GPS (location-daemon) and battery charging (libbmeipc0). All the rest of the hardware seems to have open source drivers in the kernel (although I'm not 100% sure of this).
If I am wrong on any of this, please correct me.

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freekyfrogy	2009-10-02 , 14:33
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Originally Posted by sjgadsby

Please see qgil's blog post, "Software freedom lovers: here comes Maemo 5".

I had a total nerdgasm when I saw the picture on that site... After the hassle of rooting two G1's, to have that out of the box would be incredible! I am DEFINITELY upgrading to this when the end of my contract comes around... When's the expected release date?