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2009-10-08
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#72
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why should average joe be intrested in n900? isn't average joe = massmarkets?!? or am i missing something here.
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2009-10-08
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Originally Posted by DaveP1
I can think of a few things but of course it works the other way round, too.
What one or two items do you think the N900 does better than the iPhone, the PalmPre, an Android phone, or a WinMo phone?
Battery Life:
- N900: good
- iPhone: bad
- Android (G1): very bad (can only speak of G1 though)
- WinMo: used to be good on my old HTC
Multitasking:
- N900: very good (preemptive desktop-optimized Linux task scheduling)
- iPhone: not available without jailbreaking
- Android: awkward
- WinMo: terrible
Screen:
- N900: 800x480
- iPhone: low resolution
- Android: low resolution (800x480 devices announced)
- WinMo: low resolution usually
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2009-10-08
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Yes, Joe Average is the mass market. And unlike the N810, the mass market is going to be very aware of the N900. Every tech site is going to write about it, and they are going to write favorable stuff about it.
So Joe Average is going to catch on that the N900 is the new top walkie talkie from Nokia.
I know it's only "step 4" and yet Nokia seems to be advertising it somewhat. Never really saw any advertising for the 770 - N810.
There is a risk in too many people thinking of the N900 as Nokias next best thing and at the same time know it's not for them, knowing that nobody buys it, thinking of it as a flop. You know, like the tablet PCs. Lovely machines, an improvement on laptops. But it flopped terribly (machines were too expensive because of higher windows licensing costs) and now "tablet" is a negatively associated word. Even those who still sell Windows Vista tablets now avoid the word. Now they are "touch sensitive convertible laptops" instead.
In business, the image of being a flop is supr bad. The N810 avoided it by clearly being a niche product and underadvertised.
Do you guys think our friend Joe will think of the N900 as a niche product, or might he consider it yet another failed attempt at being an Ipod killer?
So Joe Average is going to catch on that the N900 is the new top walkie talkie from Nokia.
I know it's only "step 4" and yet Nokia seems to be advertising it somewhat. Never really saw any advertising for the 770 - N810.
There is a risk in too many people thinking of the N900 as Nokias next best thing and at the same time know it's not for them, knowing that nobody buys it, thinking of it as a flop. You know, like the tablet PCs. Lovely machines, an improvement on laptops. But it flopped terribly (machines were too expensive because of higher windows licensing costs) and now "tablet" is a negatively associated word. Even those who still sell Windows Vista tablets now avoid the word. Now they are "touch sensitive convertible laptops" instead.
In business, the image of being a flop is supr bad. The N810 avoided it by clearly being a niche product and underadvertised.
Do you guys think our friend Joe will think of the N900 as a niche product, or might he consider it yet another failed attempt at being an Ipod killer?
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2009-10-08
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Originally Posted by pycage
Even if you add the good camera to that list, it's not very impressive (not to mention that Android's battery and multitasking is just fine now, but that's besides the point). Seriously, is that all we got? The other list with "what it doesn't do", MMS, Gps directions, Spotify etc. unfortunately sounds quite a bit more impressive - in fact, SAD. Nokia doesn't even support it's own cra...I mean, GREAT services (comes with music, ovi maps & directions) on this phone. And nobody else (yet at least) supports their services on it.
I can think of a few things but of course it works the other way round, too.
Battery Life:
- N900: good
- iPhone: bad
- Android (G1): very bad (can only speak of G1 though)
- WinMo: used to be good on my old HTC
Multitasking:
- N900: very good (preemptive desktop-optimized Linux task scheduling)
- iPhone: not available without jailbreaking
- Android: awkward
- WinMo: terrible
Screen:
- N900: 800x480
- iPhone: low resolution
- Android: low resolution (800x480 devices announced)
- WinMo: low resolution usually
Why should Joe Average care about this phone? It's not for him. If we step back from the Maemo platform love for a moment and look at it objectively, is this phone really that good for anybody except the "Maemo crowd"? It's a phone now, so it's fair game to compare it to these iPhones and Androids, and currently, the N900 is not even close to being as useful for Joe Averages as those phones. Nice resolution and camera, that's about it, plenty of missing applications. Sad but true. It might be "special" among smarphones but not in the meaning of "special" the thread creator intended.
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2009-10-08
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Hello,
I really think N900 could appeal both to tech enthusiasts and the members of the mass market!
Branded and marketed the right way, I see no reason why N900 should not attract those who are able to afford a high end smartphone..
One issue I realized the other day when I posted the promo video of N900 on my facebook profile was that a female friend of mine percieved it to be a man's device...not appealing to average female liking...maybe that perception could be chenged by advertisements..
And the most important thing...
Nokia has to make sure that N900 comes with the best Msn messenger application, the best facebook application, the best skype application, the best twitter application...
N900 should be the device that offers the best online communication. While doing this, these apps sholud look really impressive. This is how you make mass market go wow..
I believe, if taken seriously by nokia, N900 can be a real success for the mass market as well...juzt make sure that;
-N900 has the best browser experience
-N900 is the best device to use your;
-MSN Messenger
-Facebook
-Skype
-Twitter
-Any other trendy means of staying in touch with those who are special to us...
And, they should have great graphics, unrivalled stability and functions that are hard to duplicate...
I really think N900 could appeal both to tech enthusiasts and the members of the mass market!
Branded and marketed the right way, I see no reason why N900 should not attract those who are able to afford a high end smartphone..
One issue I realized the other day when I posted the promo video of N900 on my facebook profile was that a female friend of mine percieved it to be a man's device...not appealing to average female liking...maybe that perception could be chenged by advertisements..
And the most important thing...
Nokia has to make sure that N900 comes with the best Msn messenger application, the best facebook application, the best skype application, the best twitter application...
N900 should be the device that offers the best online communication. While doing this, these apps sholud look really impressive. This is how you make mass market go wow..
I believe, if taken seriously by nokia, N900 can be a real success for the mass market as well...juzt make sure that;
-N900 has the best browser experience
-N900 is the best device to use your;
-MSN Messenger
-Skype
-Any other trendy means of staying in touch with those who are special to us...
And, they should have great graphics, unrivalled stability and functions that are hard to duplicate...
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2009-10-08
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#77
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i gave second thought to this. why should average joe understand how special n900 is?
if usability is good and software covers all the needs for average joeses (notice plural, how do you say that?!?), what else do they concider when buying a smartphone?
besides being free, device should be at same level with usability & software as market leaders or bit above. else there is no bright future.
i think n900 offers pretty much to average joe who wants to take photos, surf internet, hang in msn, send sms and make calls.
if usability is good and software covers all the needs for average joeses (notice plural, how do you say that?!?), what else do they concider when buying a smartphone?
besides being free, device should be at same level with usability & software as market leaders or bit above. else there is no bright future.
i think n900 offers pretty much to average joe who wants to take photos, surf internet, hang in msn, send sms and make calls.
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2009-10-08
, 08:59
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Lol, Maemo, for spechul peepel.
No, I still think it is special, for being a customizeable mobile computer where the Iphone and Android phones still have too many limitations. For those of us that write jokes in pseudocode - one of you should feel guilty now - the Maemo phone, this exact model, HAS more potential than the Iphone and by my judgement, also the semi-closed Android platform. For Joe, who might think it's cool to pay cash for an image of a red jewel, the Iphone has a lot more entertaining applications. And no wonder, the Maemo 5 platform is so new, only a handful at Maemo.org can even test it out yet.
Android have a lot of potential for developers, but Maemo has more. For users, Android, Iphones, WinMo are clearly more mature, with quantitatively broader software and hardware alternatives, and more internet resources. Yet, for a small community here, we do have a lot of good software already. We might get a long way if the community/resources grow. Either way, Maemo is moving the market towards more complete mobile computers.
I agree that this platform is not ready for Joe Average as it is today, but it CAN BE. Look at what HTC has done for Windows Mobile over the last two-three years. The OS hasn't changed a bit but regular people can use it now. I think Nokia have benefit from this shift in GUI design, and they have an easier job making the GUI appeal to Joe than they have with old, sturdy Symbian. As far as I can tell from the videos, the GUI is indeed appealing now. I think with a year of feedback from non-TMO users, it might very well be a good phone OS for Joe A. Nokia need to get some software right that wasn't right on the N810, but they have enough routine to know that.
No, I still think it is special, for being a customizeable mobile computer where the Iphone and Android phones still have too many limitations. For those of us that write jokes in pseudocode - one of you should feel guilty now - the Maemo phone, this exact model, HAS more potential than the Iphone and by my judgement, also the semi-closed Android platform. For Joe, who might think it's cool to pay cash for an image of a red jewel, the Iphone has a lot more entertaining applications. And no wonder, the Maemo 5 platform is so new, only a handful at Maemo.org can even test it out yet.
Android have a lot of potential for developers, but Maemo has more. For users, Android, Iphones, WinMo are clearly more mature, with quantitatively broader software and hardware alternatives, and more internet resources. Yet, for a small community here, we do have a lot of good software already. We might get a long way if the community/resources grow. Either way, Maemo is moving the market towards more complete mobile computers.
I agree that this platform is not ready for Joe Average as it is today, but it CAN BE. Look at what HTC has done for Windows Mobile over the last two-three years. The OS hasn't changed a bit but regular people can use it now. I think Nokia have benefit from this shift in GUI design, and they have an easier job making the GUI appeal to Joe than they have with old, sturdy Symbian. As far as I can tell from the videos, the GUI is indeed appealing now. I think with a year of feedback from non-TMO users, it might very well be a good phone OS for Joe A. Nokia need to get some software right that wasn't right on the N810, but they have enough routine to know that.
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2009-10-08
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Originally Posted by Cetera
This is already one of Maemo 4's strengths. I even use the N810 for chatting when I am at my computers, sometimes. It is way better at communication than what my Windows Mobile 6 phone. And way better browsing, too. I honestly believe it has the best mobile browsers. Plurum. Of course, not everything come preinstalled on the N810.
Nokia has to make sure that N900 comes with the best Msn messenger application, the best facebook application, the best skype application, the best twitter application...
N900 should be the device that offers the best online communication. While doing this, these apps sholud look really impressive. This is how you make mass market go wow..
(...)
-N900 has the best browser experience
-N900 is the best device to use your;
-MSN Messenger
-Skype
-Any other trendy means of staying in touch with those who are special to us...
Also, the video part of IM is still quite lacking on Maemo (4).
Originally Posted by Cetera
It won't have unrivalled stability. Dumbphones have unrivalled stability. The simpler, the better stability. Complex systems are complex.
And, they should have great graphics, unrivalled stability and functions that are hard to duplicate...
Last edited by volt; 2009-10-08 at 09:14.
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2009-10-08
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Originally Posted by volt
I am guessing you are referring to this norwegian article ? And if you are, this is _not_ a place for IT-professionals. At least not the comments-section. All the articles here containing the topics, apple, microsoft, ps3 or xbox turns into fanboy-flamewars, and i would guess that the average age of the commenters is 14.
Debate: will the N900 be able to catch average people's attention?
I read an article about the N900 today, an article in a news portal that targets IT professionals. The article linked to THIS video, where Mikko Korpelainen presents the N900. The article clearly states that the N900 is a killer device, it's title is along the lines of "Mobile internet can be this good" and it says the device is very impressive, etc.
And then I read the comments. By people with medium+ tech insight. And they were not impressed.
Personally I cant see any reason why n900 and Maemo wouldnt fit anyone who wants a smart-phone?
On the other hand it doesnt mean my mom could fully appreciate it, but why would I want my mom to use this? What I want is fellow medium+ techies to use it, because these are the ones that contribute to the community. I see this as a major advantage for the maemo platform. Dont worry so much about it not becoming mainstream guys...
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