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#81
I really can't understand why messing with /opt directory, instead of using some more modern approach as a ro jffs2 partition joined with the rw filesystem with unionfs, as already done in hundreds of other projects like openwrt/ddwrt and so on...

Can someone of the developers involved give his opinion about this ?

Thanks in advance.
 
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#82
If Nokia already allocated 2gb of the 32gb space for apps, what is the problem as long as apps adhere to the rules?

Be nice to see an install script header to check ourselves if the app install parameters adhere to the rules.
 
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#83
The 256MB might still be a problem, as this thread is proof of. Good and nice that some put their packages in /opt but not everyone will, not yet. What if there was i.e. a cron-job monitoring the available free root partition space? When an alarmingly low amount of space is available, you can be queried if you want to expand the root partition by one of the techniques above? Linux has all the tools needed and the alternative is to NOT have a way out except uninstalling.
 
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#84
In this thread we're seeing the exact same arguments that were already made weeks ago when the actual /opt discussion took place.

So please, search maemo-developers mailing list archives for it.

The end result is that:
- If you're a user, don't worry. You'll have enough space.
- If you're a developer, don't worry. The buildbot should take care of it.
- If you're a python developer, worry (sorry, I didn't read the latest developments of the python issue yet).
- If you're an advanced user, you're free to repartition the device as you see fit.
 

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Originally Posted by javispedro View Post
In this thread we're seeing the exact same arguments that were already made weeks ago when the actual /opt discussion took place.

So please, search maemo-developers mailing list archives for it.

The end result is that:
- If you're a user, don't worry. You'll have enough space.
- If you're a developer, don't worry. The buildbot should take care of it.
- If you're a python developer, worry (sorry, I didn't read the latest developments of the python issue yet).
- If you're an advanced user, you're free to repartition the device as you see fit.

I read some pieces of discussion on the developer ml, and I'm still not satisfied of what I've read.

I think that when You have a fresh start, like when a major release of an OS is coming, the "just works" is not enough.

IMHO this is just the usual cancer of unix that comes back again, where everyone consider itself authorized to move directories and configuration files forth and back on the file-system, breaking the compatibility to the past, and maybe to the future.
 
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#86
Originally Posted by javispedro View Post
- If you're an advanced user, you're free to repartition the device as you see fit.
DON'T PANIC -- Douglas Adams --

If the information from this ubifs article is accurate, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that one or more advanced users will be able to help %99.99 of the users around this problem. Generally, this should be a non-issue for people willing to read and follow directions. If penguinbait and/or fanoush drop the ball (which I highly doubt), there's others of us who should be able to pick it up.

Once we have verification that people can autonomously reflash a hosed (or perfectly good) n900, all should be well. But the beta testers have been rather quite, I'm surprised we haven't heard from qwerty12 about remounting initfs rw...
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#87
Originally Posted by The_Solutor View Post
I think that when You have a fresh start, like when a major release of an OS is coming, the "just works" is not enough.
"Fresh start"? No way. The "fresh start" came with Maemo 1 maybe.
 
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Originally Posted by daperl View Post
Generally, this should be a non-issue for people willing to read and follow directions.
What issue?
The problem is that up so far I guess nobody has felt the useless urge to repartition the layout, since there's a lot of space.

At most, they have symlinked some key folders from the rootfs to the 2 GiB partition.
 
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Originally Posted by daperl View Post
Once we have verification that people can autonomously reflash a hosed (or perfectly good) n900, all should be well. But the beta testers have been rather quite, I'm surprised we haven't heard from qwerty12 about remounting initfs rw...
What initfs?
 

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#90
Originally Posted by qwerty12 View Post
What initfs?
I don't know how I missed that. Somehow I stopped reading after your previous post in that thread. Strange.

/sbin/preinit can't be redistributed. No problem, I'll just steal it from one of my OpenWRT boxes.

Originally Posted by qwerty12 View Post
I'm pretty sure it isn't mounted.
Well, let's get sure. Maybe you'd be willing to share the output of the following commands:

df
cat proc mounts
hal-device


And any thing else you can think of.

Pretty please. Pretty please with v*****s on top.
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