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2009-11-03 , 13:14
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#41
G1 plays HQ video with wifi and does it well, so the N900 with it's hardware assist should do it without "breaking a sweat". The built in player codec only allows full screen with the G1, but it plays great. Jetflcks also uses HQ for content and looks as good as my MP4's using H264.

A comical thing on the Android market is when people talk about the diffrent players and raving about one's video quality over another. Thing is they all use the same MP4 codecs that are built into the framework of Android. You have no choice but to use the built-in codecs if you want it to not be a slide show.

All of the Android market video apps are only UI's.
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2009-11-03 , 13:32
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Originally Posted by joppu View Post
It's HQ, damnit people, stop confusing these:

SD = STANDARD DEFINITION (normal video encoded in flash h.263)

HQ = HIGH QUALITY (video encoded in h.264)

HD = HIGH DEFINITION (720 pixels wide h.264)

There will not be support for HD videos on any platform and it'd be waste of bandwidth anyway since the video resolution is larger than the device screen.
The N900 screen is 800px wide - why the hell wouldn't it be able to display a 720px wide video? It may not be real HD (which, IMO, starts at 720p), but it's Youtube's version of HD which should be fully supported by a device that's just coming onto the market now.
 
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2009-11-03 , 13:34
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Originally Posted by bemymonkey View Post
The N900 screen is 800px wide - why the hell wouldn't it be able to display a 720px wide video? It may not be real HD (which, IMO, starts at 720p)
Sorry, I misspelt, it's 720 pixels tall, not wide.

Originally Posted by bemymonkey View Post
but it's Youtube's version of HD which should be fully supported by a device that's just coming onto the market now.
There will NOT be support for youtube's High Definition videos since flash is so horribly optimized that they shutter even on dual core processors.
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2009-11-03 , 13:34
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Originally Posted by joppu View Post
Sorry, I misspelt, it's 720 pixels tall, not wide.
Not on Youtube it's not.

More like DVD resolution...

Originally Posted by joppu View Post
There will NOT be support for youtube's High Definition videos since flash is so horribly optimized that they shutter even on dual core processors.
Not stuttering on mine... but you're right in that Flash is horribly optimized. 50%+ CPU load on a modern Core2Duo is not acceptable - however, what about all the promises of hardware accelerated Flash? Will that make Youtube's "HD" videos watchable?
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2009-11-03 , 13:52
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Yes, Flash 10 promises us the hardware accelerated video, but we'll just have to wait and see.
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2009-11-03 , 14:06
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I respectfully think a lot of people will be let down with 10.1, since even optimized will require N900 level hardware to get a decent experience with it.

Adobe basically said you will need a chipset like the 3430 to get a "desktop experience".

There will be a lot of non-driver, 7200 series chipset using people out there that will be pi$$ed in 2010. Well, at least the Xperia 2 has drivers, so at least five 7200 users will be happy
 
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2009-11-03 , 15:32
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Originally Posted by joppu View Post
There will not be support for HD videos on any platform and it'd be waste of bandwidth anyway since the video resolution is larger than the device screen.
What? I need to play 4K video on my phone! Total dealbreaker.
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2009-11-03 , 15:37
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Originally Posted by sjgadsby View Post
What? I need to play 4K video on my phone! Total dealbreaker.
Maybe not 4k, but 720x480 H.264/Flash support would be nice, so that in a few years, when Youtube pulls the plug on SD and HQ, you'll still be able to watch a video or two online
 
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2009-11-03 , 16:13
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Originally Posted by bemymonkey View Post
Maybe not 4k, but 720x480 H.264/Flash support would be nice, so that in a few years, when Youtube pulls the plug on SD and HQ, you'll still be able to watch a video or two online
Youtube's HQ is actually 864x480
Youtube's HD is actually 1280x720

source

Pulling the plug on SD and HD Don't make me laugh, bandwidth is really expensive, It's not like Youtube is switching to HD video any time soon
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2009-11-03 , 16:26
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So why does YouTube's HD take up less than half of my screen's width (1680px)? Do they automatically scale it down to <1024px width for netbooks and older computers? Doesn't make much sense, considering that most of those don't have the CPU power to render the videos in the first place

-edit- Never mind, looks like Youtube really does scale 'em down to fit the player: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Youtubecompfull.png
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