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2009-11-16
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#22
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Originally Posted by vihai
For vim the answer is "hjkl"... don't you know them?
I will be using xterm and vim very much, that's why I am so concerned about arrow keys
And for xterm you got left and right, so you can correct what you wrote, but not recover old command easily.
However they could also be useful for games and I think I will miss them a lot. I NEVER use the אטלעש because they don't belong to the strict ASCII standard and different text editors behave in different way (some display it correctly, others display '?', others rectangle, and so on). I prefer to write a',e',i',o',u'... not "italianally" correct, but strictly standard.
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2009-11-16
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I have the Finnish N900, also with only left-right directly and up-down as a secondary function. Really, you don't need the up-down keys so much, considering the overall use of the device. Where are you planning to use them? At least I'm very happy with having צה directly instead of having up and down.
Anyway, you can set the device to use the English layout if you so want to do. Yes, it will not match the printings then anymore, but it's pretty easy to learn by heart.
Anyway, you can set the device to use the English layout if you so want to do. Yes, it will not match the printings then anymore, but it's pretty easy to learn by heart.
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2009-11-16
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#25
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Originally Posted by val580
Is this the French version? I can't accept AZERTY layout on the Italian one...
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2009-11-16
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This is exactly why I've never been fond of small hardware keyboards. They work fine for English, but most other languages have more than 26 letters, and as the number of HW keys are limited (unlike on a full-size keyboard) you are doomed to suffer lost keys that you really can't be without. There's just no good way around it.
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2009-11-16
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Originally Posted by chemist
No, because simply we are. However this is not the place to explain you why.
I am looking for a US or UK layout too but "third world if technology", because of a kbd layout that doesnt meet your needs?
If I would bother that much over layout I would go crazy!
arrow keys arent unimportant but will not be used as frequent as you think on a n900!
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2009-11-16
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Originally Posted by HoX
I started using vi on a HP9000 with serial geen phosphore terminals and hjkl were the only way to move the cursor
For vim the answer is "hjkl"... don't you know them?
And for xterm you got left and right, so you can correct what you wrote, but not recover old command easily.
However they could also be useful for games and I think I will miss them a lot.
I NEVER use the אטלעש because they don't belong to the strict ASCII standard and different text editors behave in different way
I prefer to write a',e',i',o',u'... not "italianally" correct, but strictly standard.
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2009-11-16
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Originally Posted by vihai
Strictly speaking yes, but there are languages like Czech that have ď and ť as a letter, so it's not a "separate" apostroph.
Not correct at all, because ' is an apostrophe, not an accent.
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2009-11-16
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Originally Posted by vihai
I can ensure that many doesn't... I see it at work... in the source code of our projects if you write some letters with accent, they behave differently on different text editor.
Well, in 2009 an application not handling utf-8 and unicode correctly does not have excuses.
HTML (and browser) give the same problem sometimes, because many sites uses ISO-something instead of UTF8 (for example this site rely on ISO-8859-1 charset, that is a subset of the UTF8).
The nice thing about standards is that you have so many to choose from (cit. Tanembaum)
Originally Posted by vihai
You're right, but I've got this habit
Not correct at all, because ' is an apostrophe, not an accent. ` is an accent but... guess what... it is not present on italian keyboards
However, I supposed you already know that AltGr+' = `, don't you?
I am also Italian, but I have never used an Italian keyboard for work. Always a US-layout one. Up to the point of often carrying my keyboard along. I have worked in many different countries, and I could never get used about each idiosyncrasies (like, the French requiring shift for the digits!!)
Now I live in the Netherlands, where they luckily adopted the US layout as national layout. One less problem to worry about.
So if you order from NL I believe you will get a keyboard with arrows. I agree they are extremely important!
Nokia should allow the choice between national and US/intl layout. Maybe allow you to change for free...