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2009-11-25
, 17:59
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#52
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Originally Posted by RobertHall
Who said I can't?
why are some people afraid to purchase the N900 because Maemo 6 is coming?
let me point out 2 things here
1. Nokia delays (or did you not realize that with their last few devices INCLUDING the N900?)
2. Even IF they dont delay, Maemo 6 isnt going to be released come January! We're probably not going to see Maemo 6 til next year September at earliest. Which gives more than enough time to enjoy your N900!!!
and to Megacrazy....i was able to play music AND browse the internet with both the 5800 and N97 which as well all know lack RAM...
i think something is viciously wrong with YOUR N900 if you cant.
The point is that exactly as you said, older phones can do this just fine...and on this newer device it's supposed to be perfectly smooth...which it is not. That's the problem.
The 2nd problem is that there are other devices out there right now that do this perfectly smoothly giving Nokia 0 excuses.
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2009-11-25
, 18:01
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@ Seattle, USA
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#53
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Originally Posted by tito_66
Now I am confusedwhether I buy N900 or not because it is the only device running on Maemo 5 and may be I won't be able to update it to Maemo 6 when it become available, so Maemo 5 may lose developers and Nokia's support when 6 become available,and that will happen if Nokia consider N900 as device just to tell casual users about Maemo OS and then release another devices with maemo 6 and completely ignore Maemo 5 support and N900 owners..so what do u think about that?
Let's put it this way. I'm not buying the N900 largely because I'm so damn satisfied with what my "abandoned" N800 does!
Sure, I wish it had a faster processor, etc., and there are some new tricks that would be nice, but if Nokia "abandoned" Maemo 4, they abandoned it in a highly functional state. As rm42 said, it isn't as if the OS and the apps stop working!
So if the N900 does what you want (or will do what you want once a few more apps are written for it), I say: Buy it!
(You're right that you may not be able to keep up with the latest and the greatest once Maemo 6 comes out; but without new hardware, you wouldn't have the latest and the greatest anyway, if that's what's important to you.)
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2009-11-25
, 18:12
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#54
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Originally Posted by kjmackey
No, in many situations it is not analogous. Say for example that you are in the middle of a chat with a Dell support person inquiring about the arrival of your girlfriend's N900. You can easily switch back and fort between your music player and the browser without interrupting the chat session! You can't do that on the iPhone.
Well, the point about the iPhone's browser needing to be restarted isn't entirely accurate. If you have been browsing using the iPhone (yes, on only the kinds of pages the browser is capable of rendering) and switch to the music player because you want to change playlists or something, you need to go back to the home screen to relaunch the browser. That's true.
Yet, the page(s) you were looking at is(are) still there. Select one and pick up where you left off. This seems analogous to returning to the task switcher and selecting one or other open browser page on the N900.
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2009-11-25
, 18:16
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#55
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Originally Posted by Megacrazy
Like I already said, I went a bit overboard intentionally to make a point - many people were doing their iPhone vs. N900 dance and I gave it a different spin. That's all. As for iPhone experience, I admit mine is limited, but enough to know my iPod touch experience (which I do own) is comparable for the purposes of what I wrote. E.g. browsing and media-playing.
I like your post but there are a few points that you are exaggerating on. First of all you don't even own an iPhone so I don't think you're in the position to compare...don't you think? You must have used both devices for some time to make an accurate comparison.
Surely you are kidding about this point right? Resolution is lower but I don't think this was ever a problem when using the device.
Jailbreak and you can multitask as much as you want. In fact, I do that on a daily basis. The point is correct though. You can watch the iPhone battery evaporate if you leave things open.
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Except that you can install anything you want on the iPhone if you jailbreak. Let's also remember that you HAVE stuff to install on the iPhone as opposed to 2 weather widgets on the N900. I doubt any other device out there beats the iPhone at this right now.
That can't scroll a page smoothly and crashes quite often. Flash is here, it works but it's not pleasant. That was to be expected looking at the hardware.
This goes back to your original software point. What can be replaced with 3rd party software as of today? Who says it will be any better? Just because you can replace doesn't mean it's a good thing. I know the phone just came out but Nokia doesn't get to play in their own sandbox. They have to play on the playground with everyone else. If they release a device that has a long list of shortcomings they will be punished by the market, not praised for advancing on their own internal roadmap.
You seem like a technology enthusiast from your writing. Surely you can understand why Maemo sounds and seems interesting, appealing? Maybe it will fail, but at this point the interest and potential is there... and that is one nice thing about the N900. To be on the starting block of something new and different. Because the Maemo approach certainly is different compared to iPhone. Interesting to see how all this "openness" pans out.
I am not saying Maemo is the only game in town, but it does take a different spin on things - and this is maemo.org. I'm sure there is much potential in many other technologies.
You make some other points about how smoothly the N900 works with music etc. That is completely laughable. The media player on the N900 comes nowhere close to the iPod. Also, the iPod/Phone doesn't even flinch if you play music in the background and do something else...say browse the web, play a game...you name it.
Is the N900 better than the other Maemo tablets before it? I would say it is and by light years. Is it better than other devices on the market? I would say it excels at nothing. Lots of features, all unpolished which is perfectly fine for 'enthusiasts' but not for the reality of the market where you have the Droid, iPhone a myriad of HTC devices and so on.
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2009-11-25
, 18:36
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#56
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Megacrazy - One more thing, you said Maemo has to compare well with the competition. That is true, but a part of the equation is also the hardware. I like the hardware Nokia makes. I think the N900 hardware is very nice. Droid, for example, is simply a phone I could not buy based on looks. Call me vain, but that's my opinion.
The N900 hardware, its screen, keyboard, stylus, good camera, etc. appeal to me. There is very little hardware-wise I would find lacking in this phone. Style is good. (What little I found lacking, see around page 21 in the Owner's thread for my report.) Certainly the iPhone hardware lacks a lot more for me (lets start with keyboard and camera quality, for instance).
The N900 hardware, its screen, keyboard, stylus, good camera, etc. appeal to me. There is very little hardware-wise I would find lacking in this phone. Style is good. (What little I found lacking, see around page 21 in the Owner's thread for my report.) Certainly the iPhone hardware lacks a lot more for me (lets start with keyboard and camera quality, for instance).
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2009-11-25
, 18:40
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#57
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Originally Posted by rm42
Ah, true. In some situations it is not analogous.
No, in many situations it is not analogous. Say for example that you are in the middle of a chat with a Dell support person inquiring about the arrival of your girlfriend's N900. You can easily switch back and fort between your music player and the browser without interrupting the chat session! You can't do that on the iPhone.
Although, I have never tried the above scenario with an iPhone. I don't know exactly what would happen - though I suspect the interaction would be lost.
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2009-11-25
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#58
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Originally Posted by Megacrazy
Huh?
Same here. If they pull another "Nokia" I am staying away from them forever. There better be updates for the phone until functionality is significantly improved. Also agreed on the jailbreaking which can be a hassle (understatement of the year) to keep up with. The N900 is much better if you're looking for a device to tinker with.
In terms of audio acceleration whose fault is that? Mine? They should've figured that out before it left the factory.The phone lags in anything you do if you play audio. It has nothing to do with flash or the browser. Don't make me break out the camera again
All your claims were *completely destroyed* by the video response to yours.
Go ahead and make more videos.
I'd love to see that user make another video response. His videos are amazing.
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2009-11-25
, 19:14
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Originally Posted by iJanne
iJanne, I have no issue with any of the points you made. I agree. As far as looks go the Droid looks like something that belongs in a 1980's knight rider episode.
Megacrazy - One more thing, you said Maemo has to compare well with the competition. That is true, but a part of the equation is also the hardware. I like the hardware Nokia makes. I think the N900 hardware is very nice. Droid, for example, is simply a phone I could not buy based on looks. Call me vain, but that's my opinion.
The N900 hardware, its screen, keyboard, stylus, good camera, etc. appeal to me. There is very little hardware-wise I would find lacking in this phone. Style is good. (What little I found lacking, see around page 21 in the Owner's thread for my report.) Certainly the iPhone hardware lacks a lot more for me (lets start with keyboard and camera quality, for instance).
All I am saying is that Nokia needs to step up their devices quickly or they will learn some lessons the hard way. I understand that this is supposed to be a mobile computer etc. but that's not how people will look at it. If it makes calls...it's a phone (especially that it looks like a phone as well). It needs to compare to all the other devices and excel at what it does. If it fails to do that it's only Nokia's fault, not ours. No, I am not saying the N900 "fails".
What bothers me though, is that people on this forum fail to admit that there were other players here before who have been doing things better for years now. All the negativity in my posts is from a consumer point of view.I have 3 devices in front of me...2 scroll perfectly smoothly and 1 doesn't. I am not going to care why...what else it does etc. This is basic functionality that needs to be there from the very beginning.
There is no need to talk to me about iPhone hardware because I know it very well.
- No AVRCP
- Bluetooth signal range is crap
- Screen issues (see half the screen is yellowish)
- Battery life is abysmal
- etc.
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2009-11-25
, 19:27
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Originally Posted by Megacrazy
Except that those buying this are not the average Smartphone user for the most part. Given the lack of association with a carrier, this phone/mobile computer isn't going to attract that kind of attention here in the US at least. (Europe might be a different story) Those of us who have been following this also know that this phone has not been overhyped: we know its strengths and weaknesses for the most part. It isn't like Android, which has taken about a year for it to actually start living up to the hype.
All I am saying is that Nokia needs to step up their devices quickly or they will learn some lessons the hard way. I understand that this is supposed to be a mobile computer etc. but that's not how people will look at it. If it makes calls...it's a phone (especially that it looks like a phone as well). It needs to compare to all the other devices and excel at what it does. If it fails to do that it's only Nokia's fault, not ours. No, I am not saying the N900 "fails".
Yet, the page(s) you were looking at is(are) still there. Select one and pick up where you left off. This seems analogous to returning to the task switcher and selecting one or other open browser page on the N900.
There is some multitasking on the iPhone. Of course, only for apps supplied by Apple, and only some of them. And that got to be a huge annoyance after a while.
I look forward to not having that restriction on my N900 - sometime late next month *sigh*