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2009-12-03
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Originally Posted by iJanne
This is BS. you cannot market the phone as the coolest, most revolutionary thing your co. has come up with in a decade and say "yea.... but" You do not put up billboard adverts and center events around a not ready for showtime device.
But the thing is: Nokia told us all this beforehand! They were clear the Maemo was not yet ready for consumer smartphone use, hence they were releasing a step 4 of 5 - a mobile computer with phone functionality..
It is black or white. 4 of 5 is not a good statement, Nokia had to release something, so they put together a good piece of hardware and put what they had for software on it. The device is great, the software is in progress, they were honest about that - but when they saw the interest they should have shifted gears, and i believe they are/will.
The consumer sentiment is making the n900 a success beyond what they may have expected. They knew the volume of pre-orders anc could easily compare that to other first run devices they have sold (5800xm) to be able to understand total demand over time.
Nokia are not stupid people. They know they need to deliver. It is a consumer device even if YOU do not want it to be.
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2009-12-03
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#83
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Originally Posted by Untouchab1e
Bump, Applause, Exactly!
It just bothers me when people start their own topics to tell how much they hate their N900 because of the lack of portrait mode and MMS when the slightest readup on the N900 would reveal that before they spent 600$ on it..
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2009-12-03
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Originally Posted by matthewcc
Maybe Nokia should have shifted gears but they didn't/couldn't. I don't know why you are expecting the N900 to be something it wasn't announced to be and clearly isn't. It is one thing to hope and want something and completely another to be annoyed when things turn out the way they were told to turn out.
This is BS. you cannot market the phone as the coolest, most revolutionary thing your co. has come up with in a decade and say "yea.... but" You do not put up billboard adverts and center events around a not ready for showtime device.
It is black or white. 4 of 5 is not a good statement, Nokia had to release something, so they put together a good piece of hardware and put what they had for software on it. The device is great, the software is in progress, they were honest about that - but when they saw the interest they should have shifted gears, and i believe they are/will.
The consumer sentiment is making the n900 a success beyond what they may have expected. They knew the volume of pre-orders anc could easily compare that to other first run devices they have sold (5800xm) to be able to understand total demand over time.
Nokia are not stupid people. They know they need to deliver. It is a consumer device even if YOU do not want it to be.
Hence I continue to discourage consumer smartphone clientele from getting this phone. Clearly it is not for them and Nokia has been open about that. I have no problem with saying this is Nokia's failure to be late, but N900 is what it was announced to be. Just because some people go crazy over it does not change that no matter how much you repeat it. It is a device available to consumers just like a Linux boxset but that does not make it a consumer smartphone. It is not a smartphone in the traditional sense and does not have all such features.
I do not see how you could call that BS. It is completely another matter to say that Nokia should have a Maemo consumer smartphone by now. They don't and one can certainly crtique that. But N900 is what was announced.
Of course both of us share the hope that N900 will gain more features in the future, but to me that is bonus. Bugs of course need to be fixed as soon as possbile.
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2009-12-03
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It is, indeed, BS. Just go to the official Nokia product page for the N900 - where does it say it is anything other than a smartphone for the masses?
Sorry, dude - Nokia dropped the ball on this one. You can either live with the rushed device and workaround the bugs (that I believe will be fixed soon-ish) because you're a devout geek, or return the device and get a refund. What you can't do, however, is deny the harsh reality - it was rushed, and it's not a mass product despite being marketed by Nokia as such.
Remember, most people don't go around forums or read Engadget or whatnot - they go to Nokia's shops or the Nokia.com website. And in the shops it's marketed with huge posters as "Your net - always on" and that appeals to everyone. It's the same shops that featured ZERO posters for the previous Nx00 devices, and that had them in a corner instead of being on display, at the store's center!
But hey, I'm going to buy one - I'll live with the bugs
Sorry, dude - Nokia dropped the ball on this one. You can either live with the rushed device and workaround the bugs (that I believe will be fixed soon-ish) because you're a devout geek, or return the device and get a refund. What you can't do, however, is deny the harsh reality - it was rushed, and it's not a mass product despite being marketed by Nokia as such.
Remember, most people don't go around forums or read Engadget or whatnot - they go to Nokia's shops or the Nokia.com website. And in the shops it's marketed with huge posters as "Your net - always on" and that appeals to everyone. It's the same shops that featured ZERO posters for the previous Nx00 devices, and that had them in a corner instead of being on display, at the store's center!
But hey, I'm going to buy one - I'll live with the bugs
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2009-12-03
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Originally Posted by vasputin
Good riddance.
Just got my new NOKIA N900 yesterday. I must say i've been a loyal, long time fan and user of NOKIAs, but this one... they really screwed it up big time! So many bugs, such a crap. I'm sending it back tomorrow for a full refund. Screen only tilts if you use phone dialer, alarm does now work on the phone if bluetooth connected, in other words the alarm will work, but the sound will only be in bluetooth, i guess one would have to sleep with bluetooth to wake up. Also if bluetooth connected you will not hear a ring on the phone, you will only hear ring in bluetooth. Very , very disappointed. My advice, don buy it yet, maybe they'll fix it later.
I say fools like you that don't read into what they buy aren't worthy of this phone.
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2009-12-03
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Originally Posted by sardaukar
That's the thing though - this phone isn't for most people..
It is, indeed, BS. Just go to the official Nokia product page for the N900 - where does it say it is anything other than a smartphone for the masses?
Sorry, dude - Nokia dropped the ball on this one. You can either live with the rushed device and workaround the bugs (that I believe will be fixed soon-ish) because you're a devout geek, or return the device and get a refund. What you can't do, however, is deny the harsh reality - it was rushed, and it's not a mass product despite being marketed by Nokia as such.
Remember, most people don't go around forums or read Engadget or whatnot - they go to Nokia's shops or the Nokia.com website. And in the shops it's marketed with huge posters as "Your net - always on" and that appeals to everyone. It's the same shops that featured ZERO posters for the previous Nx00 devices, and that had them in a corner instead of being on display, at the store's center!
But hey, I'm going to buy one - I'll live with the bugs
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2009-12-03
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If you bothered to read what I wrote - the thing is it's being marketed as such!!
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2009-12-03
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Originally Posted by sardaukar
I did 'bother' to read what you wrote thanks, but I myself haven't seen any marketing thus far except on the web. I mean you go into Phones4U etc. and they think N900 is one of R2D2's mates.
If you bothered to read what I wrote - the thing is it's being marketed as such!!
I guess I can see what you're trying to say, but it's Nokia's first smartphone-tablet-phone hybrid, and first shot at Maemo 5 for anything other than the old tablets. What do you expect?
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2009-12-03
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Originally Posted by sardaukar
The problem people have with you saying "But its marketed as blah blah" is that if you had spent 30 minutes bothering to do some research on the phone you would have discovered these forums and would have been well aware of the what the N900 is and isn't. The problem here is your lack of due diligence, NOT Nokias marketing. Its Marketing's job to sell items, it's yours to make sure that they are the items you want.
If you bothered to read what I wrote - the thing is it's being marketed as such!!
If I believed everything that Marketing told me I would buy every piece of crap that ever had a shiny commercial made for it. The reason I DON'T is because I bother to go away and find out more about the item before committing to a purchase, especially one that's $600+. Hell I don't even go see a movie before reading a review or two.
This is a buyer beware world. Get used to it.
Now that out the way. I do believe that Nokia were surprised by the popularity of the device and are probably
a) Very happy
b) Working to fix some of the more glaring issues.
Be patient for farks sake. The device has been out in the mainstream user base for less than 3 weeks.
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You are right, but Nokia will most probably market and sell this as a consumer ready device.