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2009-12-03
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Originally Posted by pspbricker
It's the first time I hear of these issues, so I think you overestimate how wide-spread they actually are. The random call thingy sounds very obscure and may well have nothing to do with the phone at all. The bluetooth problems the OP is talking about are not bugs, he simply doesn't like the behaviour of all sound being routed over the bluetooth headsets as long as they are connected. While I agree that this may not be best behaviour, it's still not a bug and even less so a release blocker. I can promise you that, if broken microphones or constant reboots would have been spotted during testing (and not deemed fixed), the device wouldn't have been released.
@kanishou
Yup - we'll agree to disagree. Yes I am definitely saying that Nokia should not have released the N900 as is. There are serious bugs out there - random calls, microphone problems (apparently due to the Nokia charger supplying 5.3V!), bluetooth problems, contacts dissapearing, devices rebooting randomly and so on. Of course bugs will be around, but I feel Nokia rushed this one out again. These bugs have been reported within days of being released. Don't tell me Nokia's testers didn't spot them, and pushed ahead with the launch.
There was nothing rushed about the N900, it was now or never. Personally, even as a consumer I would rather have the device available rather than not have it available, which would have been the only alternative.
I am not a developer, nor is my knowledge with Linux vast. However when you say completely new development, my understanding is that the N900 is a continuation of the N700/N800/N810, and that Maemo has been around for years now.
I have never seen anything of this complexity being released without a couple of bugs.
The reason that Nokia need the N900 to redeem itself is because of the shakyness of the N97. Confidence in Nokia's products has been dented, and we look to the N900 to restore that confidence. As you say, the N97 was marketed as the flagship device, but faced criticism over the OS, processor, available RAM, UI, stability and hardware (camera lens cover) - when a device was announced that improved all these issues, it makes sense to see it as being a superior device - and it is. It's early days yet, but I still think that some of the bugs could have been tracked down before launch.
To be honest I don't have an N900 yet, but will still get one regardless. I'm prepared for all of the above bugs, because they all sound fixable via updates (apart from the possible charger fault).
Keep in mind that if two in a hundred have an issue with a product, it is most likely that it is exactly those two who seek out a forum to complain about it. Never take this as an indication as to how many products are actually affected.
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2009-12-03
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I have to say that if you have the money to spend on something new and shiny, it's your choice. It's a gift-wrapping for something inside the package. Get it? Too bad that the insides aren't quite what the blinded-by-the-PR-speek buyer is seeing.
You have the money. You choose where to put it. If you don't like the merchandise, give it back because you can. This isn't cheating you out of your precious money and time. Nokia is being very fair and they're not really pushing it out to the masses. If you read the hype, look at where the hype is coming from. Why do you assume that something good for somebody else would be good for you?
But yeah, it could be argued that it's Nokia's fault as it doesn't do enough to control the hype - it's clearly just not enough in this fast-paced-world to just give out the facts and speak openly of the devices' purpose. When Nokia make an internet tablet with phone features and say that that's what it is, and also say that it's just step 4 of 5 - people just dismiss those facts because the packging is soo shiny???
I obviously don't get it. What the hell is wrong with you people?
You have the money. You choose where to put it. If you don't like the merchandise, give it back because you can. This isn't cheating you out of your precious money and time. Nokia is being very fair and they're not really pushing it out to the masses. If you read the hype, look at where the hype is coming from. Why do you assume that something good for somebody else would be good for you?
But yeah, it could be argued that it's Nokia's fault as it doesn't do enough to control the hype - it's clearly just not enough in this fast-paced-world to just give out the facts and speak openly of the devices' purpose. When Nokia make an internet tablet with phone features and say that that's what it is, and also say that it's just step 4 of 5 - people just dismiss those facts because the packging is soo shiny???
I obviously don't get it. What the hell is wrong with you people?
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2009-12-03
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Nothing is "wrong" - I'm all for the N900. I wanna buy one! But I understand people feel cheated, just that.
What's missing in these forums is precisely that - understanding! Typical Linux "screw you n00b" attitude. And saying stuff like "it's only been out for 3 weeks" - how long does it have to be out to fix basic bugs like not being able to use GSM shortcodes starting with *, that any proper tester could have caught, and should be release stoppers??
I want one. But Nokia messed up. Just that - don't bash the guys feeling cheated, that's all I'm saying.
What's missing in these forums is precisely that - understanding! Typical Linux "screw you n00b" attitude. And saying stuff like "it's only been out for 3 weeks" - how long does it have to be out to fix basic bugs like not being able to use GSM shortcodes starting with *, that any proper tester could have caught, and should be release stoppers??
I want one. But Nokia messed up. Just that - don't bash the guys feeling cheated, that's all I'm saying.
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2009-12-03
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I can understand the complaints. I am a long time user of S60 and love it. I have also had a 770 and currently use a N810 with my N65 all the time. If I knew someone liked S60...and was used to that...I would probably tell 90% of those users to stay with S60. Same goes with the different Blackberry, Apple, Moto and other users.
The other 10%...are those either like me, a current Maemo user...or someone who is looking for a tablet device that can do phone stuff too and can do some tech stuff, or someone that likes Linux and uses it already. Those are people who should jump in now.
The other 10%...are those either like me, a current Maemo user...or someone who is looking for a tablet device that can do phone stuff too and can do some tech stuff, or someone that likes Linux and uses it already. Those are people who should jump in now.
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2009-12-03
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Originally Posted by ralphb
No doubt this happens. Ive thought about this many times on forums like this. Staff of other phone brands, fanboys, irate consumers who have just tied theirself into the wrong contract with wrong phone but need self reassurance to bolster these ill-informed purchases. All of these groups must hate the "i love my N900" posts and will counter every one with negative feedback using info they have found elsewhere in the forum.
I'm seriously starting to wonder if Nokia-competitors are using these forums for black-ops negative marketing. I'm sure that Google's Android staff would "do no evil" but it must be very tempting for, say, Samsung or Apple sales people - or just fanbois - to come in here and slag off the N900.
I think if someone genuinely owns the N900 and has genuine reason to even be on the forum then they SHOULD be listened to with empathy and not a barrage of abuse. They should though , have researched the £500 purchase beforehand as to not have any nasty surprises.
If people post Non-constructive posts, to create negativity, then they should automatically be ignored and not replied to.
Who cares if someone has not researched a £500 purchase and got burned because it doesn't do portrait except in dialer mode. There has to be some kind of accountability on the consumers behalf. We have cooling off periods for disgruntled rich idiots. Hand it back, get money and buy something different.
If you want some problem with the phone fixed then put it to the community,(excellent system and really well structured).
I think people, we need to put on our bullsh.it deflectors to identify this kind of behavoir as to not waste too much time with them.
Sorry for such the long post, but i feel too much negativity being nourished in favour of progression by positive action. Ive seen the complaints and just laugh at most of them. I'll hopefully recieve my N900 next week, and if I feel I have purchased the wrong product then I can only blame myself for being an early adopter.
Lets take each post with a pinch of salt at least till some kind of integrity can be ascertained from the content of the post
Hope I haven't offended anyone
........including you fruitphone and schmoogle users and staff.can we take a positive from the OP and report a bug with bluetooth when using alarm using constructive criticism to progress the device for all? I think thats what the forums for isn't it?
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2009-12-03
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Originally Posted by vasputin
OK lets return this thread to topic and civilised conversation.
Just got my new NOKIA N900 yesterday. I must say i've been a loyal, long time fan and user of NOKIAs, but this one... they really screwed it up big time! So many bugs, such a crap. I'm sending it back tomorrow for a full refund. Screen only tilts if you use phone dialer, alarm does now work on the phone if bluetooth connected, in other words the alarm will work, but the sound will only be in bluetooth, i guess one would have to sleep with bluetooth to wake up. Also if bluetooth connected you will not hear a ring on the phone, you will only hear ring in bluetooth. Very , very disappointed. My advice, don buy it yet, maybe they'll fix it later.
Portrait mode only available or phone:
The N900 was designed with landscape in mind, this is not a bug. Portrait IS supported by the OS itself but only the phone currently supports it. The Internet browser is confirmed as being upgraded to use it in the next firmware update.
Third-party software can easily support either mode but mostly does not because landscape is a more "computer" style way of working and unfortunately there is no portrait on-screen keyboard by default. Also the N900 is based on Linux, plenty of software comes over from Desktop so is designed for landscape use ONLY. It will take time for software designed for the older tablets and desktop to be adapted to be more "phone-like".
Believe me I really wish conversations supported portrait as I often type one-handed on the bus/tram. However it is by no means a deal breaker for me.
Alarm and ring tones through bluetooth only, if bluetooth is on:
I assume you mean if your headset is paired and switched on. Surely it does not do this if bluetooth is on but your headset is turned off? If it does, then that clearly is a bug.
If it does not however then why on earth are you leaving your headset turned on when you are asleep in bed? Surely it should be turned off charging somewhere.
I would argue that the way it works makes sense, as why bother upsetting everyone else in the room with your alarm/ring tone if you are wearing your headset? Although it would be nice to be given the choice its a sensible default behaviour. There is little logic to leaving your headset powered on if you are not wearing it so its a fairly logical assumption that you are.
Overall, I am overjoyed to hear the N900 works this way. I always feel guilty when receiving a lot of SMS messages especially if I am doing something like queuing at the bank, as hearing the same tone over and over must be annoying for everyone else (I know it annoys me when someone else does it). The idea that it would redirect to my headset instead is excellent.
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2009-12-03
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If it does not however then why on earth are you leaving your headset turned on when you are asleep in bed? Surely it should be turned off charging somewhere.
I would argue that the way it works makes sense, as why bother upsetting everyone else in the room with your alarm/ring tone if you are wearing your headset? Although it would be nice to be given the choice its a sensible default behaviour. There is little logic to leaving your headset powered on if you are not wearing it so its a fairly logical assumption that you are.
You leave it on because, if the phone rings, you are going to answer it using your headset, of course. Pretty much every phone I've owned, quite a few, does it this way - and it's the right way. The headset is on but in my shirt pocket. The phone is in my pocket or in a holster. The phone rings, I hear it, I put the headset on and answer.
Otherwise you are wearing your headset 24x7, like a dork.
The other phones will ring out through the headset, or at least send a ring tone - so if you have it on, you will hear it there as well.
To mute the phone, you mute the phone.
Now, should all that be configurable? Sure, that would be great.
But the default being the same as everyone else - audio out through the phone, phone audio out/in through the headset? Perfect.
This is for a PHONE headset. For audio headphones, audio should route out through the headphones. Just like everyone else.
And, for the record, this exact bug is what caused me to cancel my N900 order. I'll wait to see if this gets fixed because, from perspective, this is a deal breaker.
I would argue that the way it works makes sense, as why bother upsetting everyone else in the room with your alarm/ring tone if you are wearing your headset? Although it would be nice to be given the choice its a sensible default behaviour. There is little logic to leaving your headset powered on if you are not wearing it so its a fairly logical assumption that you are.
You leave it on because, if the phone rings, you are going to answer it using your headset, of course. Pretty much every phone I've owned, quite a few, does it this way - and it's the right way. The headset is on but in my shirt pocket. The phone is in my pocket or in a holster. The phone rings, I hear it, I put the headset on and answer.
Otherwise you are wearing your headset 24x7, like a dork.
The other phones will ring out through the headset, or at least send a ring tone - so if you have it on, you will hear it there as well.
To mute the phone, you mute the phone.
Now, should all that be configurable? Sure, that would be great.
But the default being the same as everyone else - audio out through the phone, phone audio out/in through the headset? Perfect.
This is for a PHONE headset. For audio headphones, audio should route out through the headphones. Just like everyone else.
And, for the record, this exact bug is what caused me to cancel my N900 order. I'll wait to see if this gets fixed because, from perspective, this is a deal breaker.
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2009-12-03
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Originally Posted by Sloth
uhhh. right.
If it does not however then why on earth are you leaving your headset turned on when you are asleep in bed? Surely it should be turned off charging somewhere.
I would argue that the way it works makes sense, as why bother upsetting everyone else in the room with your alarm/ring tone if you are wearing your headset? Although it would be nice to be given the choice its a sensible default behaviour. There is little logic to leaving your headset powered on if you are not wearing it so its a fairly logical assumption that you are.
You leave it on because, if the phone rings, you are going to answer it using your headset, of course. Pretty much every phone I've owned, quite a few, does it this way - and it's the right way. The headset is on but in my shirt pocket. The phone is in my pocket or in a holster. The phone rings, I hear it, I put the headset on and answer.
Otherwise you are wearing your headset 24x7, like a dork.
The other phones will ring out through the headset, or at least send a ring tone - so if you have it on, you will hear it there as well.
To mute the phone, you mute the phone.
Now, should all that be configurable? Sure, that would be great.
But the default being the same as everyone else - audio out through the phone, phone audio out/in through the headset? Perfect.
This is for a PHONE headset. For audio headphones, audio should route out through the headphones. Just like everyone else.
And, for the record, this exact bug is what caused me to cancel my N900 order. I'll wait to see if this gets fixed because, from perspective, this is a deal breaker.
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You guys don't get it. Research? For 30 minutes? Dude, it's not a buyer beware world - it's a 5 second attention span one. "Looks cool? I have the money? Cool" is most people's mindset. Telling them it's cool because it runs Linux and it's free and whatever - most people don't care. And unless Nokia cares about the possible fallout of huge returns and bad image resulting from it, they should market it appropriately.
For geeks. And tinkerers.
But sure, whatever - let the brand name erode and have a bad reputation. People always come back, right? /sheesh