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2007-03-27 , 13:19
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I'm starting to believe that the 2 usable portable form factors are the typical laptop at one end and the N800-class devices at the other. These in-between devices are doomed to fail IMO, trying to fill the void spanning these two extremes and only serving to annoy most users. The photos look good, (some of) the specs look good, but the proof is in the pocket. Oops, these things don't fit!
 
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2007-03-27 , 13:53
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Originally Posted by aflegg View Post
I hope you're joking: an unstable, single-tasking OS where all the applications (at best) cater for 320x320 screen resolutions? Exactly how would this be any good for the N800?!
People would start sending penguinbait money to develop his desktop environment ports?
 
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Originally Posted by Karel Jansens View Post
People would start sending penguinbait money to develop his desktop environment ports?
ah-HA! Now I understand his evil plan: entice us with alluring screenshots of 95% complete alternative desktops then hit us with a paypal request for the remaining 5%.

Ooooo, that wascawy penguin...
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dbec10 is offline dbec10
2007-03-28 , 00:22
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bobhodgen, you need to get your Treo software checked. I am also a Palm user and I know several others. Random resetting is not one of the things Palm does. When that happens it's because we loaded something we should not have. Or the hardware is faulty.

Personally I prefer the N800 form factor. Although the keyboard on other devices may make text entry faster. It adds too much bulk. Judging from reviews the N800 thumb keyboard would be sufficient for me.

That's the only reason I'm still on this forum. I want an N800, just not in it's current state (software-wise).
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2007-03-28 , 02:24
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Originally Posted by TA-t3 View Post
Access version with PalmOS as a GUI on top of Linux .
Actually from what I have managed to gather, they will be using a virtual machine. I believe it is called Garnet VM and might be downloaded as source code seperate from the OS. I understand that Access Linux might be open sourced as well. I think Access is trying like Nokia to use as many "off the shelf" OSS apps as possible. The specs if memory serves were for a 220 meg processor with a small footprint in RAM. This would be wonderfull it it were compatible with the Maemo platform, but there might be problems with audio and text entry.
I for one, would be very happy if some of my Palm apps were portable via the virtual machine. I think that the aps which look decent on the larger screen of the Palm TX would be OK on the Nokia. particularily my palm office suite which copes with word processor and spreadsheet (.doc and.xls) files and is only about 5 MB. There is also a great solataire palm game which would be nice. Aeroplayer with ogg support for music. And last, but not least, the Palm Bejeweled game which I at least have a chance at. I haven't been able to beat Battlejeweled yet :-)

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2007-03-28 , 10:53
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Originally Posted by Texrat View Post
I'm starting to believe that the 2 usable portable form factors are the typical laptop at one end and the N800-class devices at the other. These in-between devices are doomed to fail IMO, trying to fill the void spanning these two extremes and only serving to annoy most users. The photos look good, (some of) the specs look good, but the proof is in the pocket. Oops, these things don't fit!
The more I think about this (and thinking back on the list of devices I've looked at and tried) the more I agree.
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2007-03-28 , 11:05
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Originally Posted by linuxbear View Post
I for one, would be very happy if some of my Palm apps were portable via the virtual machine.
Yep. I still use my Palm PDA for some essential stuff. Everything from a simple, but life-saving 3party free application that has no equivalent elsewhere, to things like Lufthansa's nice Palm flight table application.
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2007-03-28 , 11:14
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Originally Posted by Texrat View Post
I'm starting to believe that the 2 usable portable form factors are the typical laptop at one end and the N800-class devices at the other.
What I want is a device with a notebook-sized screen and keyboard, no hard disk, no fan and no speakers (nothing that makes any noise, but of course it should have a headphone jack). It should have maybe 8 - 12 GB flash memory and a fully-functional browser, that supports CSS and Java. I can live without a touch screen, but a trackpad would be nice for browsing.

Anybody know of such a device?
 
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2007-03-28 , 16:25
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Originally Posted by dbec10 View Post
bobhodgen, you need to get your Treo software checked. I am also a Palm user and I know several others. Random resetting is not one of the things Palm does. When that happens it's because we loaded something we should not have. Or the hardware is faulty.

Personally I prefer the N800 form factor. Although the keyboard on other devices may make text entry faster. It adds too much bulk. Judging from reviews the N800 thumb keyboard would be sufficient for me.

That's the only reason I'm still on this forum. I want an N800, just not in it's current state (software-wise).
It's not just "his" treo software or just "his" treo hardware is the problem. It is Palm's lack of QA when making the treo. Out of the box, the treo is bound to reset. I am on my second 700p and they haven't even been out one whole year. I do not want to take away from this thread but you opened the door with plopping Garnet onto the n800 and the fact that just because you don't have problems with your treo, don't discount others.

I use my 700p for Phone/SMS/BT-DUN. That is all it is worth to me now. If it werent for EVDO,qwerty keyboard and a two year contract with sprint :-) the treo would be tossed. At least Versamail sort of works.

Ah, then came the constant reboots. But with no other apps installed.. it will reset on its own. Treocentral is so chocked full of these problems. So, please, don't say that random rebooting is not one of the things Palm hardware does. It does on it's own and it does it plenty with no third party software and I am on my 2nd unit.

And still no firmware update. Nice support. At least Nokia has given us N800 owners that much. (Too a degree)


I want a Treo 700p, just not in it's current state (support-wise/OS wise/instability-wise). For now, the n800 will do alot of what the Treo cant do. And more reliably. For now they work together. Two huge bricks in my pockets! LOL!
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2007-03-28 , 18:12
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I have a 770 and 800, and am using them more and more. I use them especially for reading ebooks -- they are both far superior to anything else I've tried (including the Sony eBook reader). For me, the selling point of the Nokia machines is the screen resolution. Even compared to the large-screen Clie Th-55 (palm OS), which is the next best thing I've found, the Nokia is clear and easy to read. Also, it has a huge range in adjustable back-lighting. Why someone would make a tablet PC with low resolution is beyond me. By the way, the 800 screen is superior, but I keep the 770 because it's more easily portable. I got the 800 for $270 from CompUSA -- couldn't resist, and I'm glad I got it.
 
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