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2009-12-16
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nwerneck, I can somewhat sympathise with you but I don't agree with your core argument that this forum is now dead for n800 owners.
I've always been behind the curve here.
I got a 770 when everyone was gushing about their shiny new n800s.
I got a n800 when everyone was waxing lyrical about their cool new n810s etc***.
So even though I've always been late to the party I've still found the forum very useful both in old, informative threads and also the willingness of other members to help and discuss "old" issues.
I don't feel a need to look anywhere else for an n800 forum.
***On the plus side the price I paid for my devices was only a fraction of what early adopters paid for theirs
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I've always been behind the curve here.
I got a 770 when everyone was gushing about their shiny new n800s.
I got a n800 when everyone was waxing lyrical about their cool new n810s etc***.
So even though I've always been late to the party I've still found the forum very useful both in old, informative threads and also the willingness of other members to help and discuss "old" issues.
I don't feel a need to look anywhere else for an n800 forum.
***On the plus side the price I paid for my devices was only a fraction of what early adopters paid for theirs
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2009-12-16
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Originally Posted by qole
I hope you are right. To me the forum seems to have a lot of "noise" about N900 on it. I am not knocking N900 (I read many of the N900 posts). The forum reminds me of my lawn when I plant new grass seeds...looks good but it will look better when I get the weeds out!!
The novelty will wear off. Just give it some time.
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2009-12-16
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Originally Posted by qole
It sounds like some of you are hoping for that.
The novelty will wear off. Just give it some time.
I just don't understand why ?
I've not owned the older tablets, since I've always been a "one device" kind of guy, so I'm new to this forum too. But I've felt welcome here, received good advices, and in return tried to integrate and be helpful too.
Sure, there are a lot of repeating threads, and a lot of "noobs", but I see that as a positive thing, as it means that the Nokia tablets are gaining popularity, a thing a thought all of you old timers would want and appreciate..
Sure, it can feel like "your" forum is being invaded by strangers, but that's how communities work. They grow and evolve, and we need the experienced users, to help steer the direction.
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2009-12-16
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i guess what we are seeing rightnow is a kind of "usenet september", tho i hope it wont turn into a "september that never ended".
thing is that there are a lot of people out there that wrote of the earlier maemo running products as they where not phones. I swear, there seems to be people in this word that grabs the most expensive smartphones on the highest subsidized plan just to show off but that will move on ones their binding runs out and the next eyecatcher comes around...
a non-phone pocket device is a geek thing. a phone on the other hand is a "style" thing.
me, bitter, not unlikely...
thing is that there are a lot of people out there that wrote of the earlier maemo running products as they where not phones. I swear, there seems to be people in this word that grabs the most expensive smartphones on the highest subsidized plan just to show off but that will move on ones their binding runs out and the next eyecatcher comes around...
a non-phone pocket device is a geek thing. a phone on the other hand is a "style" thing.
me, bitter, not unlikely...
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2009-12-17
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btw, i wonder if not some annoyance with the threads is that one is pretty much back to square one in the knowledge department.
very little from earlier devices and maemo versions seem to apply, and unless one is planing to get one (i wrote ot the community offer ones i heard about the one week guarantee) there is not much point reading them...
now if nokia would launch a non-phone version...
very little from earlier devices and maemo versions seem to apply, and unless one is planing to get one (i wrote ot the community offer ones i heard about the one week guarantee) there is not much point reading them...
now if nokia would launch a non-phone version...
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2009-12-17
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To clarify my novelty statement: I think the N900 novelty will wear off, and a lot of the "noise" will subside. I'm already seeing people asking more of the usual Maemo questions again ("How do I get sshfs running?") and there already seems to be a lot less of the whinging and moaning from the smartphone users going on.
I really hope it does get better.
And as for the "incompatibility" questions... again, what specifically are you referring to? Is it the fact that the N900 has hardware features that the N8x0 doesn't have? Or are there apps that you wish you had for the N8x0 that are only found on the N900 (that aren't hardware dependent)?
I really hope it does get better.
And as for the "incompatibility" questions... again, what specifically are you referring to? Is it the fact that the N900 has hardware features that the N8x0 doesn't have? Or are there apps that you wish you had for the N8x0 that are only found on the N900 (that aren't hardware dependent)?
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2009-12-17
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Originally Posted by nwerneck
Ever since the N900 came about the "Active Topics" bar has been taken by shallow and uninteresting subjects. This forum is dying to me.
Maemo 5 and its applications being incompatible with previous devices was one of the most terrible of the "non-free" stuff Nokia has been doing. Linux itself is a great example of care for compatibility. I have just installed the latest kernel in my old Pentium III at home, and also the latest versions of my window manager and browser, and it feels great. I have the impression the opposite is happening with the NITs, and It's a pity.
As a N800 user, I feel like I don't belong to this website anymore. I have been coming here only looking for old references about things people have done previously with the tablets, but I can't conceive starting conversations about new things we could do in Diablo...
I can understand many developers will just move forward, but will the development for N810 and previous devices really just die? And if a little community of "old timers" remains, where will they live? Do we have a space here at maemo.org, or will we have to create a new forum where we can go without having to hear about lame discussions regarding N900's incompatible software or worse: the iPhone?
I wish I could log in here and not see a single thread regarding problems in the N900 that have nothing to do with me. I just want to talk with people that run the same software as I do. I want people that can help me, and I want to be able to help people out. Right now I log in here and feel like I was entering the forum of some other device I don't own (e.g. iPhone, Android, whatever).
I'm not saying people shouldn't talk about the N900. I understand _that_ is what is happening in the Maemo world right now. Go on, take the forum. But I own a N800, and I want to be part of the community of N800 owners. Where are they?
@nwerneck and like-minded N8x0 users:
Please see my post #1 about a way to save this forum for N800 and N810 users: If you think N800, N810 and Diablo need Their Own Forum; or something like that ... ... and please take the trouble to register for a maemo.org (or garage.maemo.org) log-in so that you can participate in the Brainstorm about maintaining the viability of this forum for N8x0 users.
I believe that my Solution #1 in that Brainstorm can save this forum for us if it is implemented soon, that is, before too many more of us just give up and stop coming here.
The idea behind Solution #1 is (primarily) to change Talk on this forum so that we could go through New Posts and see only those threads that have new posts that are relevant to us as Diablo (N810, N800, and 770) users. To better understand how that solution could help, and how easy it ought to be to implement, please see my posts #5 and #15 and #17.
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2009-12-17
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Originally Posted by qole
I undertood that by “novelty” you mean discussions about price, availability and “oh, it shines!” I am certainly eager to see that ending. But someone might understand you are talking about a more general and sophisticated feeling of excitement with the device and its possibilities. I have not lost this feeling with my own N800 yet... So for those who might have gotten the impression we are talking about people losing their interest for their devices, rest assured we believe this is impossible
To clarify my novelty statement: I think the N900 novelty will wear off,
(I hope I am talking for qole here...)I'm already seeing people asking more of the usual Maemo questions again ("How do I get sshfs running?")
and there already seems to be a lot less of the whinging and moaning from the smartphone users going on.
And as for the "incompatibility" questions... again, what specifically are you referring to? Is it the fact that the N900 has hardware features that the N8x0 doesn't have? Or are there apps that you wish you had for the N8x0 that are only found on the N900 (that aren't hardware dependent)?
I mean by no means hardware-related incompatibilities. I have lived with the lack of keyboard and GPS so far, and I can sure accept that my N800 will not start making calls even if I managed to run Maemo 5 in it.
I can also live with the fact that some programs will be just too heavy to run in a less powerful processor. When I run GIMP on my Pentium 3 I don't whine about it being sluggish, I just feel grateful for having been able to try at all. And I feel good when I notice, for example, that I can still update the GIMP in this old machine of mine and use the new Lanczos scaling algorithm instead of just cubic...
I am not looking for a strictly-N8x0 forum. What I want is to see threads that are relevant to me. We must exercise what exists in common in all our devices.
There are small problems in Diablo that I bet N900 users will also have. We must make sure we will all work together to solve them... More users = more contributions and more people benefiting from contributions.
The whole concept that “Maemo 5 is a new version that will not run in N8x0” sounds alien to my Linux ears. It should have been “Maemo 5 will come with a fancy desktop that N8x0 users should ignore.” It's a pity that to show that we must have all the work of building Mer...
Before finishing: I am very happy with all the feedback. The forum is alive and kicking afterall!
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